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So by that thought u go buy a tv for $500 and after a few days they limit your channels down from 1000 to 5... U telling me u wouldnt be pissed as hell about them taking away its functions? You cant tell me they have a right to take away part of something u paid for after the fact you payed for it.

You don't know how to read, do you? Sony took the "feature" away after it was discovered that it caused a serious hole in the security of the PSN. And your analogy really sucks. TV's don't have channels. Your TV provider gives you the channels. Two completely separate entities.

When will someone with an IQ over 7 provide insight to their side of Geohots claims? Oh...wait...
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If Sony can't secure PSN from the head end like with any competent C/S implementation they have no business making networked consoles. Modded clients should not matter.

All Sony is doing is making themselves look bad to the average gamer, ie their customer base.
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Originally Posted by Clock for Clock View Post
if you run pirated iphone apps, you've hacked your iPhone.
Incorrect. Are you guys really this serious? I hate to take this off-topic (we're now discussing iPhone jailbreaks, for those who missed it) but you guys are being ridiculous with your denials.

http://www.gumballtech.com/2010/09/1...t-a-jailbreak/
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Sure there is. If it poses a security threat to the personal data of other people, for instance, or allows a large hole in security, the company has every right, consider it's THEIR software, not yours. You buy the hardware, you license the Software. End of story.
I think it's wrong that companies can change their mind and go back on things that they've agreed to, but consumers can't
    
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Incorrect. Are you guys really this serious? I hate to take this off-topic (we're now discussing iPhone jailbreaks, for those who missed it) but you guys are being ridiculous with your denials.

http://www.gumballtech.com/2010/09/1...t-a-jailbreak/
Uhm, IPA God just uses another exploit they discovered in the firmware, which makes it equivalent to jailbreaking. I fail to see your point
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I am done with this place after i red all of the pages this place is not for me anymore (most of you even don't know or didn't check what he did and how he did it but you have the mouth to tell him he is a prick)
I blue'ed all the pages myself. Thought about greening them. But red never entered my mind. Moral: If you're going to basically call us all a bunch of idiots, you might want to fix your typos before posting to avoid a boomerang effect.

And for the record, I know exactly what GeoHot did, and I have the mouth to call him a prick. A very smart prick with an uncanny ability to rap for a lily white young'un, but a prick nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by bravos89 View Post
This hack is going to give him plenty of street cred in Silicon Valley. Have you ever heard of Sean Parker? The guy was arrested for hacking when he was 16, got sued out the wazoo by the RIAA for copyright infringement for running Napster, and he's now worth 3.5 Billion dollars. I guess hacking and getting sued for copyright infringement didn't hurt his career too much.
Um...Napster != hack. You even note that Parker committed copyright infringement...that's not hacking. So comparing what Parker did and what GeoHot did makes little sense.

And the reason Parker is worth billions is because, even though the original Napster was founded on an illegal "business model", subsequent versions were not. He created a company that was worth real money, and was consequently purchased for a hella lot of money. The only thing GeoHot has done is figure out how to pick a complicated lock...impressive feat, but not one likely to lead to riches on its own.

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I don't know know why you think they would think he would sell their security hole for money when he's shown no concern for any monetary gain.
Yep, you're right. The concern should actually be they we will just give it away freely.

Trust is a tricky thing. Lose it, and it's veeeeerrryy difficult to ever get it back. GeoHot's is already gone.

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No one in that world will really give a crap about what Sony thinks of the guy when the majority of them were hackers when starting out their careers in the first place.
Um...lolwut? Either you just asserted that most of Sony started their career as a hacker, or most of the world started their career as a hacker.

Don't they teach people how to write in school anymore? Geez...

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Originally Posted by postama View Post
They are trying to insinuate that he single handedly is responsible for piracy on the PS3 and stuff which is absurd, but the basis that he provided the code is true.
Sure, but that's basically how these cases are argued in court...the defendant is single-handedly responsible for the downfall of civilization as we know it, etc. I'm no fan of legal hyperbole, but neither does this approach surprise me.

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Also, GeoHot will have more of a public standing than music pirating. Americans love the "David and Goliath" story. Stealing music is a clear right and wrong, so the public really didn't side with her much, but breaking a code to get a feature that Sony disabled after people bought the system (The 'other operating system' feature) Sounds like a noble cause.
Strongly disagree. First, I remember the "music mom" case differently...there certainly was public support for her. Not perhaps for acquittal, but for a more reasonable punishment than the bazillions that were eventually levied.

And second, Average Joe understands music piracy...heck, Average Joe probably is a music pirate. Thus there would be at least some interest in the case. But Average Joe wouldn't know Linux from a boil on his ass, and doesn't understand or care why a bunch of propeller head geeks want to change the OS ("what's an OS?") on their PS3. "Just play games on it you geek, that's what it's for...and while you're at it, stop spanking your Linux and get a girlfriend."

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Originally Posted by Clock for Clock View Post
But really, Sony was "asking for it"
Um...lolwut? What, was Sony wearing a slutty short skirt or something? (Yes, I am saying that your statement is about as stupid as rednecks claiming a rape victim was "asking for it". Don't make stupid statements, please.)

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Besides here is what the Library of Congress and the Copyright Office had to say about jailbreaking the iPhone:

"the activity of an iPhone owner who modifies his or her iPhone's firmware/operating system in order to make it interoperable with an application that Apple has not approved, but that the iPhone owner wishes to run on the iPhone, fits comfortably within the four corners of fair use."

replace "iPhone" with PS3 and "Apple" with Sony and you're not changing anything.
Except that you and I don't get to do that whenever we choose. In legal documents/statements, the specifics of the wording matter tremendously. The fact that this specifically calls out the iPhone and Apple inherently limits its scope to that specific device and that specific company. Arguably, even the iPod Touch is not covered by this language, since that is not an iPhone.

Now as I said very early on, or perhaps in another thread entirely, this does at least give GeoHot's lawyers something to work with. It is almost a certainty that they will try to make a parallel in court, as you have done. There may be traction with such an argument, there may not be...I'm not going to make a prediction. But today, there is no valid legal basis for saying that the FCC decision includes consoles.

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Originally Posted by Yanki View Post
There is no excuse for a company to take away initially advertised features.
Sure there is...it happens all the time. Either it is a security hole that cannot cost effectively be closed, or there is such underuse of the feature that continued development/maintenance is a money pit. If that pisses off 0.5% of my customer base, that is a solid tradeoff if I can use the freed up money and resources to enhance the experience and improve the loyalty of the other 99.5%.

So to everyone whining about losing their Linux: Sony does not care about you or your Linux fetish, get over it and either move on or sell your PS3. And to everyone whining about losing their hardware PS2 emulation: Sony was wrong to include it from the start, backwards compatibility is an expensive fool's game with little long term value for the company. (And I said as much, loudly and repeatedly, pre-X360 and PS3 launch.)
Edited by VulcanDragon - 2/15/11 at 5:47am
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Have any of you tried actually playing multi player online games on the playstation network? Its a joke. I bought my computer to play single player graphically superior games, and my Xbox360 to play online with friends. I consider consoles inferior by FAR and I mean ALL of them. I am not a 360 fan boy, but rather a PC fanboy- The only reason I can see to own a console is to play co-op games with friends that are too lame to build bad ass gaming machines.
PSN was crap like, 4 years ago. Now, I'd never go back to LIVE, and 95% of the time I prefer the PS3 over PC. PC hardware is superior, but not optimized. So, the experience is opinionated. PSN online play is by far superior than LIVE, not to mention just as good as PC online. Of course, nothing can get easier than a Keyboard/Mouse. So if I am feeling cheap and want to seriously own someone, I'll hit the PC
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That's a bit of an understatement, considering the 360's hardware is inferior to the PS3, not to mention you have to pay to play online. but, children need their milk and cookies.
Only the CPU is, the GPU is superior to the PS3s.

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Exactly my thoughts. Only the pirates support his "cause". The funny thing is most of the people here who give him "props" were the same people bragging about downloading the leaked beta of Crysis 2.
I dislike Crysis as anything but a benchmark, it's a bland and boring game in everything but graphics and I haven't touched the Crysis 2 beta nor will I any time soon.
I also have legally bought every game for the PS3 I'm interested in (All 2 of them) and still support GeoHots cause as I want Linux on my PS3.

Way to generalize.

The hole he found would let some pirates make a custom firmware that enables piracy, Sony can easily block any CFW based PS3s off PSN, the CFW he released only enables custom apps to be booted. (eg. emulators, etc)
If Sony spent less time trying to sue people for this and more time trying to control the situation, everyone would be better off.

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Originally Posted by postama View Post
First of all, it's a civil case, there is no threat of him going to jail over this.

I actually think this will help GeoHot, and I think he knows it.

GeoHot is known as extremely arrogant, but the more attention he gets here the better, if he can make Sony look bad enough they may just drop the case instead of continuing to get negative attention.

Sony is also trying to get legal access to everything GeoHot has produced in this case. I don't know the fine details here but that is what he refers to at the end with "Exhibit this in the courtroom, go on do it, I dare you". He is making somewhat of a mockery of the legal grounds Sony is trying to use against him and if Sony gets what they want then this will be a legal exhibit in the case, which will be ridiculous. Plus if a Jury sees this video they won't think GeoHot is being mean to poor little Sony, they will see GeoHot as a cocky kid who is fighting against what he sees as "the man", this 'freedom fighter' image may help him over the "hacker" image Sony would try to put on him.

TL;DR: I think this was a planned, strategic move by GeoHot. But I easily could be wrong.
Chances are he's being an arrogant ****, but I see your point being possibly true too.

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Originally Posted by MAD_J View Post
I don't see why people are hating on sony... They are doing what they have to do.

Any other company would do the same if in the same position.
Didn't Microsoft give him a T-Shirt to hack WP7 or something?

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Originally Posted by Zinxe View Post
It is a shame that people like you exist.
Why? It's people like him that help ensure we don't get the same Vista to Windows 7 upgrade every year from Microsoft, i.e. People who aren't comsumer whores.

The entire DCMA thing is to stop piracy, GeoHots hack (The stuff he released) doesn't enable piracy, others can use the hack (That was also released by a Sony exec) to enable piracy, yes, but not GeoHots actual hack.

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Originally Posted by r34p3rex View Post
Exactly my thought. What differentiates jailibreaking an iPhone/iPod and jailbreaking a PS3? Both allow you to install apps that are otherwise not approved by the manufacturer.

Don't give me the argument that Apple does not make any additional profit after the sale of the hardware and that Sony relies on after-hardware-sale profits to sustain itself. Apple makes a TON of money off the App Store. Therefore that argument is moot.

Give me another major difference
QFT.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
"There is no basis for copyright law to assist Apple in protecting its restrictive business model" unlike PS3's state of having hundreds of copyrighted game titles by different developers at a huge risk of being pirated. In other words, the iPhone jailbreak allows you to install third party created apps. It does not open the ability to pirate apps that are already on the app store like the PS3 "jailbreak" allows pirated games to be played. Without jailbreaking an iPhone, you can still just as easily pirate the apps that cost money. Jailbreaking the iPhone doesn't make it any easier to do so. This makes me wonder; why haven't the developers stepped into this battle? Activision, where are you?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/us-...ry?id=11254253
I'd link you to proof that Jailbreaking enables App Piracy, but I'd be circumventing the TOS by doing so, needless to say, you're a fool if you honestly think that there is no App for iOS that lets you install pirated software, look at any site pirates get their stuff from and you'll see plenty of iPhone apps, games, etc.

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Originally Posted by Yanki View Post
SEA took PS2 emulation and OtherOS features away from PS3s, being the greedy corporate bastards that they are.
Even though SEA deserved what Geohot delivered, I would have kept my mouth shut throughout the whole legal process.
To be fair, PS2 emulation had to go as the PS3 was too damn expensive, they should have added software emulation however.

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
All of the people in love with this moron keep forgetting that his exploit causes irreparable damage to the security of the OS, either that or they won't acknowledge the truth.

Geohot has essentially opened the gateway to destroy PSN online gaming. Yet everyone here (and 99.999999% of them) that says he's such a hero never even used Linux on their PS3. This is something Sony CANNOT fix without issuing new hardware.
Sony can easily detect and ban custom firmware, Microsoft do it with burnt games, Sony have done it before on the PSP.

Next.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
It was an app straight off the market.



Ehh... not sure which feature you're referring to, but OtherOS was never advertised as a feature. Show proof plz.
Wait, so Apple approved an App that enables App piracy? I severely doubt that.

Kind of an example, it's not available in ANY PS3 now, not just Slims.

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
You don't know how to read, do you? Sony took the "feature" away after it was discovered that it caused a serious hole in the security of the PSN. And your analogy really sucks. TV's don't have channels. Your TV provider gives you the channels. Two completely separate entities.

When will someone with an IQ over 7 provide insight to their side of Geohots claims? Oh...wait...

So if Windows 7 had to lose the GUI as it had a massive security hole, but someone made a hack to restore it, you'd be against said hack?

Right, now, continue calling us idiots while making yourself look more like one than anyone could possibly do.
And please actually respond to posts, don't just quote Vulcan and Stealth Pyros and call everyone a /b/tard or an idiot.
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Incorrect. Are you guys really this serious? I hate to take this off-topic (we're now discussing iPhone jailbreaks, for those who missed it) but you guys are being ridiculous with your denials.

http://www.gumballtech.com/2010/09/1...t-a-jailbreak/
That was released after the DCMA iPhone alteration was made from what I can tell, that article was two months after the only link I can see of the DCMA thing.
And your own link proves you wrong:
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A lot of app store developers are against jailbreaking, because you can effortlessly install their applications for free. Now, you can do the same thing without even being jailbroken.
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