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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Sure, but that's basically how these cases are argued in court...the defendant is single-handedly responsible for the downfall of civilization as we know it, etc. I'm no fan of legal hyperbole, but neither does this approach surprise me.
Very true. Doesn't surprise me either but doesn't make it right.

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Strongly disagree. First, I remember the "music mom" case differently...there certainly was public support for her. Not perhaps for acquittal, but for a more reasonable punishment than the bazillions that were eventually levied.

And second, Average Joe understands music piracy...heck, Average Joe probably is a music pirate. Thus there would be at least some interest in the case. But Average Joe wouldn't know Linux from a boil on his ass, and doesn't understand or care why a bunch of propeller head geeks want to change the OS ("what's an OS?") on their PS3. "Just play games on it you geek, that's what it's for...and while you're at it, stop spanking your Linux and get a girlfriend."
Average Joe does understand music piracy, but he also usually understands that what he is doing is illegal. Average Joe may want the punishment to be less, but understands punishment has to occur.

Meanwhile, some dude hacking his PS3, they may not understand the technical arguments behind it but the point of the rap was to bring attention to his case. Its not as if he is posting a logical argument discussing how his hack is a good thing, he just rapped obscenely at a corporation. This may not get the public on his side immediately but definitely did the job of bringing attention to the issue (not to the public yet per se but whatever).
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this is why theres trial by jury....if your stealing food to feed your starving children the punishment should go in your favor, unless of course everyone is a senseless hard ass (AHEM)...
No, the decision should NOT go in your favor because you broke a very clearly spelled out law. There is nothing "hard ass" about it...the law is the law, end of story. Should a citizenship disagree with any given law, they have the means to change the law...but no one should be permitted to ignore it because they feel their own special circumstances somehow make them exempt. "Thou shalt not steal...unless you're hungry, then it's okay."

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5 years probation for murder...since he committed murder he shouldve got 10 years at the very LEAST, and he never was incarcerated for murder..wheres all that "in the legal" world garbage come in at? theres tons of cases where "legal" world goes out the window when you have exceptional situations..
You're right, he should have gone to jail. What you are pointing out here is that juries can suck because they can also ignore the law if they choose. Have you ever sat on a jury? I have. The judge gives you very specific instructions on what you are to consider and not consider, and reminds you of the specifics of law at stake. But once that jury room door closes, if the collective will of the jurors does not follow instructions, well then the justice system may not mete out a correct verdict. Naturally I'm talking about indisputable cases here, like your video...it's obvious to everyone that the law was broken. But in criminal cases, all it takes is one juror to "ignore" the law to break down the system.

I'm not debating that our justice system is imperfect, I hope you understand. But exceptional cases (like yours) are not typically how these things go down, I would contend.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
Only the CPU is, the GPU is superior to the PS3s.
As if that is relevant. The PS3 still out performs due to its allocated power, the hardware comparison between the two is a stupid argument and off topic.
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I dislike Crysis as anything but a benchmark, it's a bland and boring game in everything but graphics and I haven't touched the Crysis 2 beta nor will I any time soon.
This.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
I also have legally bought every game for the PS3 I'm interested in (All 2 of them) and still support GeoHots cause as I want Linux on my PS3.
It doesn't matter what you want. You've shown you obviously don't care about the system, its intended purpose, or even care to properly utilize it. Why should a company open a security hole and risk the experience of real users with real intent to properly utilize the system for someone like... you? I want my car to go really fast, drive really low to the ground, and have neon lights under it. Oh wait, that is illegal. Modifying a car to meet those wants will get me a massive fine and my license revoked.
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Way to generalize.
Generalizing is better than denial.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
The hole he found would let some pirates make a custom firmware that enables piracy, Sony can easily block any CFW based PS3s off PSN, the CFW he released only enables custom apps to be booted. (eg. emulators, etc)
See, here is the problem. You could do that before with hacks/mods, until you upgraded the firmware. So it is quite obvious you want your cake and to eat it too.
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If Sony spent less time trying to sue people for this and more time trying to control the situation, everyone would be better off.
Control the situation? It was released on the internet. Have fun controlling that. They got the restraining order, they took control at its source. That is all they can legally do at this time when it comes to "control". If you are referring to actually fixing the hole, then yeah, I'm sure they are on it. I'm not sure why people continue to insist that the team working on the legal issues is the same team that works on the code. It is multitasking, I'm not sure if you've heard of that.
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Chances are he's being an arrogant ****, but I see your point being possibly true too.

There aren't any chances, it is a sure thing. As for him "planning" or having some "strategy" from this, don't think so. He wants attention, he is crying for it. The whole Microsoft coming to him bit really didn't help his ego too much, and he definitely deserves to fall on his face. His arrogance is disgusting.
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Why? It's people like him that help ensure we don't get the same Vista to Windows 7 upgrade every year from Microsoft, i.e. People who aren't comsumer whores.
You are implying that people against piracy are consumer whores. Not nice. People legally downgrading to XP and Vista sales dropping is what pushes Microsoft. Now, stop with all the Windows analogies, because it is irrelevant. Windows is an open-development platform. They want you to make things for it. If you didn't make things for it, then it wouldn't exist as it is now.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
The entire DCMA thing is to stop piracy, GeoHots hack (The stuff he released) doesn't enable piracy, others can use the hack (That was also released by a Sony exec) to enable piracy, yes, but not GeoHots actual hack.
It is one thing getting the acronym wrong, but it is another to completely misunderstand the purpose of the DMCA and then trying to use it in an argument. The DMCA is there to protect copyrights and other intellectual property, which Geo violated. It can definitely help fight piracy, but that isn't what is happening here. Not to mention, Kevin Butler isn't a Sony executive. He is a comedian actor, notably famous for Scaretactics.

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To be fair, PS2 emulation had to go as the PS3 was too damn expensive, they should have added software emulation however.
Agreed.
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Sony can easily detect and ban custom firmware, Microsoft do it with burnt games, Sony have done it before on the PSP.

That takes resources. Resources cost money. Either way, what Geo did is causing monetary damage. Guilty&Sue.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
So if Windows 7 had to lose the GUI as it had a massive security hole, but someone made a hack to restore it, you'd be against said hack?

Like I, and other people, have said before. Windows wouldn't exist without the development of other people. They want, they ask, they beg you to create things for their platform, as long as it isn't breaking any laws. Take a program like Photoshop and reverse engineer and find a security flaw that allows complete redistribution without serials, and that would be liable for a lawsuit from Adobe.

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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
Right, now, continue calling us idiots while making yourself look more like one than anyone could possibly do.
And please actually respond to posts, don't just quote Vulcan and Stealth Pyros and call everyone a /b/tard or an idiot.
You don't understand. It is him, and like 3 other logical people actually taking the time to throw common sense and logic at you people. Not to mention, this is probably the 5th thread with the exact same debate happening. So the 4 of us involve, are repeating ourselves over, and over, and over.

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Originally Posted by Brutuz;12394214 
That was released after the DCMA iPhone alteration was made from what I can tell, that article was two months after the only link I can see of the DCMA thing.
And your own link proves you wrong:

http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2010/10-169.html
That gives the specific law of "jailbreaking". Completely different from consoles. It specifically calls out wireless telephone handsets.
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Its Sony's fault not designing for such an eventuality.

Their public image is taking a hit with how they're handling this.
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^^^
Agreed - Sony is losing sales over this silliness. Before this, I was considering a PS3, but now, forget it. I don't want to buy something that is so crippled that it requires Jailbreaking in order to make it useful. That, and no GT6 yet...
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That was so pro.
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It doesn't matter what you want. You've shown you obviously don't care about the system, its intended purpose, or even care to properly utilize it. Why should a company open a security hole and risk the experience of real users with real intent to properly utilize the system for someone like... you? I want my car to go really fast, drive really low to the ground, and have neon lights under it. Oh wait, that is illegal. Modifying a car to meet those wants will get me a massive fine and my license revoked.
I agree with most of your points except for this one. The system was sold with the ability to run another OS. The Air Force bought thousands of PS3s to run linux on for advanced computing requirements. Then suddenly Sony yanked the feature. Even if they wanted to block it they should only prosecute people that hack the Ps3 and then run pirated games, not people that hack it to enable a feature that was advertised.
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I agree with most of your points except for this one. The system was sold with the ability to run another OS. The Air Force bought thousands of PS3s to run linux on for advanced computing requirements. Then suddenly Sony yanked the feature. Even if they wanted to block it they should only prosecute people that hack the Ps3 and then run pirated games, not people that hack it to enable a feature that was advertised.
You don't need to update. It's not required. So...
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I agree with most of your points except for this one. The system was sold with the ability to run another OS. The Air Force bought thousands of PS3s to run linux on for advanced computing requirements. Then suddenly Sony yanked the feature. Even if they wanted to block it they should only prosecute people that hack the Ps3 and then run pirated games, not people that hack it to enable a feature that was advertised.
Again, wasn't an advertised feature. The Air Force also didn't update their firmware. They sent a few broken PS3s in, which by terms of agreement, Sony WILL update to the latest firmware upon servicing.
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