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but to my knowledge those ads basically consisted of the PS3 melting rubicks cubes and creepy babies, not talking about a features set.
Hey...I thought the creepy baby was a feature! And I don't have no creepy babies in my PS3! Darn lying Sony!

Seriously though...I forgot about the creepy baby commercial. That was perhaps the stupidest advertisement I have ever seen...what were they thinking? How is a creepy baby going to get me to spend $600 on a game console?!?
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Hey...I thought the creepy baby was a feature! And I don't have no creepy babies in my PS3! Darn lying Sony!
They gave ME a creepy baby.



It does seem a little underhanded that a release to the press does not constitute anything you can hold them to, but a commercial does. In my mind, a press release is concrete and a commercial is flexible.
    
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Hardly. If that was the case, we would be seeing a LOT more lawsuits than there already are. (God, please no.)

Also, Gamespot/IGN saying "what Sony secretly told them via press release" is by no means an advertisement.



http://www.salesvantage.com/article/...-Press-Release


http://www.ereleases.com/howtosubmit.html

An announcement in a press release saying "PS3 will have an OtherOS feature" is not an advertisement. Sony won that battle in court for a reason. It's long over. No one can provide proof of a commercial nor print advertisement with OtherOS mentioned at all. Sony lived up to their promise; the PS3 had OtherOS upon release. They legally pulled it from PS3s via updates under their terms of agreement, which was also optional for everyone to download. No one at Sony force fed the update to your PS3 unless you sent it in for service.

Instructions in the user manual for how to use OtherOS is not an advertisement promoting it.

And, lastly, for those who still don't know:

Other OS was never advertised.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/09/21/p...g-to-stand-on/
The reason that court case was lost to my knowledge is not really because no one could find an advertisement since they would try to levy a press release for an ad (especially in California with precedent). We definitely agree on the second part of how you list the reason, that Sony didn't explicitly take it away. So we agree more than I originally thought.

Again, look up Nike vs. Kasky. A business in California (where the Sony suit is being brought) can not make false statements in a press release.

Legally, I don't think Sony violated any laws with what they did, but as a consumer I have lost respect for Sony. They didn't advertise other OS or talk about it in press releases after they pulled the feature, and losing the feature was optional so no court case would hold footing.



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It does seem a little underhanded that a release to the press does not constitute anything you can hold them to, but a commercial does. In my mind, a press release is concrete and a commercial is flexible.
Yeah, I usually get my product news from press releases and the tech media. I don't usually take commercials as concrete facts. Fortunately in California at least (maybe other states I am not sure), a press release is held to the same standard as an advertisement.
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Cry more.

How do I know? Well, it's been in the news a lot lately. Sony is now playing with the idea of releasing serial numbers for every new game purchased, meaning, that the game would have to be authorized online in order to play. Even Single Player games. THAT is why. Because the root key access is hardware embedded, it's not just a simple firmware update to get rid of it.

Treyarch actually built-in new security measures to black ops, which limits the spread of this problem to the newest edition of that game...for now. The older COD's, GT5 and other games have seen a rise in cheating as a result of this hack. New firmware has been released and yet it still continues on that firmware. How you're unaware of this since you "know" so much escapes me.

That ONE letter of difference you've managed to mispell 5 or 6 times? I really think you need to take what you're talking about seriously before you post.
No, but they can put some still secure thing that sends checks to the Sony server when you sign on PSN, preventing users with CFW logging on, it wouldn't be THAT hard.

Like I said, I was up at 5am, I probably misread it and thought it was that, whether I have the name of it right or not, that doesn't mean I've got the actual law wrong, does it? Especially considering I'm in a country which (I'm pretty sure) isn't affected by it.
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Didn't the courts decide hacking firmware was legal? A la iPhone jail breaking?

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No, but they can put some still secure thing that sends checks to the Sony server when you sign on PSN, preventing users with CFW logging on, it wouldn't be THAT hard.

Like I said, I was up at 5am, I probably misread it and thought it was that, whether I have the name of it right or not, that doesn't mean I've got the actual law wrong, does it? Especially considering I'm in a country which (I'm pretty sure) isn't affected by it.
You think it "isn't that hard" yet they've not been able to do it yet. Something tells me Sony's engineers are quite a bit more intelligent than you and would have already implemented it if it "wasn't hard to do."

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Didn't the courts decide hacking firmware was legal? A la iPhone jail breaking?

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No. The DMCA only applied it to Phones, not any other hardware.
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You think it "isn't that hard" yet they've not been able to do it yet. Something tells me Sony's engineers are quite a bit more intelligent than you and would have already implemented it if it "wasn't hard to do."
Then how come PC games can detect different versions and modified files when you play online?
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You think it "isn't that hard" yet they've not been able to do it yet. Something tells me Sony's engineers are quite a bit more intelligent than you and would have already implemented it if it "wasn't hard to do."



No. The DMCA only applied it to Phones, not any other hardware.

I definitely agree that its quite obvious Sony has been looking for another solution besides the court system and more intrusive DRM. Because they are having to resort to these things means it must be extremely difficult to do. The facts are that not a single DRM has gone unhacked (to my knowledge). The fact it took GeoHot and FailOverFlow over a year means that Sony did a hell of a job in the first place, but now that it is cracked they can't really fix that in a patch because the fix would be in that patch, which is a lot smaller section of code for GeoHot and FailOverFlow to analyze.

Also the DMCA currently only applies to phones, but I am hoping that this case makes it apply to all consumer electronics. If I want to hack something I bought I should be allowed to, I just shouldn't expect any support from Sony or to be able to access features Sony blocks off from those that are using anything but their firmware. This is the same thing phone manufacturers do now, you can jailbreak it and run illegal apps, but don't expect any support.
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Then how come PC games can detect different versions and modified files when you play online?
XBOX 360 too. modded 360's get banned from Xbox live nothing else
So microsoft has been able to do something that sony can't?
But yet they aren't suing hackers left and right
Personally i think it's a futile attempt at sending a message to the rest of us that hacking the ps3 is not allowed
This has just made me want to buy a PS3 and hack it even more
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It's come to my attention that you have zero knowledge of what you're talking about.
Except that I am an accomplished hacker so..
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