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I'm talking about cpu temp not core temp. where the sensor is on the chip has nothing to do with the socket temp. Infact, I don't think I even made a comparison to intel chips throughout any of my posts in this thread, everyone just assumed I made the connection because I have an intel rig in my sig. On that note if amd chips do start degrading at 62c they would seriously have to be using the cheapest materials possible. I am willing to admit I am wrong(all my anecdotal evidence says otherwise though), but damn AMD chips are seriously made cheaply if you all are right.




There is no thermal throttling on AMD chips, only motherboard thermal shutoff options which are normally preset to 90c.

I think everyone just assumed you were talking about INTEL temps when you started saying outrageous things like 90C is ok.

AMD is pulling their temps from a different source area would be my guess.

No way AMD chips run cooler than Intel chips, while using more voltage, and drawing about the same power... It just doesn't really make sense. I'd say they're pretty close to the same, but AMD has theirs set up where the temps are based off different points of measurement. The max temp will reflex this, at 62C per AMDs website.

My AMD chips didn't like anything over 60C, I saw instability once reaching that level of temps. Core and Socket both were within a few C of each other at that point.

CPUs degrade naturally from the factory. A chip that is never overvolted or overclocked will die from electron migration, same as an overclocked chip. The difference is in how long it takes.
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lol Im going to FedEx your mate a backhand....

I get 25Gflops, stock vcore...

1.7v, 109c, AMD, Thats going to end pretty bad for your mate, should be a good lesson though, you learn after you break something..
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I max at 40c.... I WANT EITHER BD OR SB!!!!!! Freckin' +5.0Ghz
You are also running a speed that requires much less voltage on top of two less cores.

I can run 3.8ghz very easily, with much less voltage.
post #124 of 142
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I think everyone just assumed you were talking about INTEL temps when you started saying outrageous things like 90C is ok.

AMD is pulling their temps from a different source area would be my guess.

No way AMD chips run cooler than Intel chips, while using more voltage, and drawing about the same power... It just doesn't really make sense. I'd say they're pretty close to the same, but AMD has theirs set up where the temps are based off different points of measurement. The max temp will reflex this, at 62C per AMDs website.

My AMD chips didn't like anything over 60C, I saw instability once reaching that level of temps. Core and Socket both were within a few C of each other at that point.

CPUs degrade naturally from the factory. A chip that is never overvolted or overclocked will die from electron migration, same as an overclocked chip. The difference is in how long it takes.
Where did I say 90c was ok? I said chips don't start truly degrading till that temp, they begin to become very unstable and not worth it to run anything higher than mid 60's, doesn't mean they are degrading at 65c though. Like I said in an earlier post, I am not advocating running at those temps, just saying people saying you are going to kill your cpu breaking 60c are wrong. And referring to your last point, I know chips degrade slowly over time even at stock, if we want to be picky about it I will rephrase it and say, you will not accelerate the process much more till you reach 70c+, and 90+ is when you get to the point that you are going to kill it within a very short time frame.
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post #125 of 142
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You are also running a speed that requires much less voltage on top of two less cores.

I can run 3.8ghz very easily, with much less voltage.
That's why I'm wondering if my chip is bad or something about my setup is off.

3.8GHz, dual core and stabilizes only at 1.448V. :[

Getting 24-25GFLOPS

How much should I be getting at 4.0GHz? Maybe the answer will tell me if my chip is weak or something's off.
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post #126 of 142
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Where did I say 90c was ok? I said chips don't start truly degrading till that temp, they begin to become very unstable and not worth it to run anything higher than mid 60's, doesn't mean they are degrading at 65c though. Like I said in an earlier post, I am not advocating running at those temps, just saying people saying you are going to kill your cpu breaking 60c are wrong.
Oic, sorry about that. But as I said chips are degrading at factory settings, its just a matter of time more or less depending on your voltage/temps/frequency.
    
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my friend and i just ran 25 passes of Linx 10000 and his pushes 16Gflops as a dual core at 3.75GHz mine pushes 26.5 as triple core 3.055GHz is mine really that much faster?
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Oic, sorry about that. But as I said chips are degrading at factory settings, its just a matter of time more or less depending on your voltage/temps/frequency.
I suppose, and I edited in a last part to go with what you were saying. I realize the numbers are still guesstimates but it fits in what I have experienced myself with amd chips and what I have gathered from people who have killed 45nm phenom II's and the temps/volts they had been running prior to it dieing.
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I think everyone just assumed you were talking about INTEL temps when you started saying outrageous things like 90C is ok.

AMD is pulling their temps from a different source area would be my guess.

No way AMD chips run cooler than Intel chips, while using more voltage, and drawing about the same power... It just doesn't really make sense. I'd say they're pretty close to the same, but AMD has theirs set up where the temps are based off different points of measurement. The max temp will reflex this, at 62C per AMDs website.

My AMD chips didn't like anything over 60C, I saw instability once reaching that level of temps. Core and Socket both were within a few C of each other at that point.

CPUs degrade naturally from the factory. A chip that is never overvolted or overclocked will die from electron migration, same as an overclocked chip. The difference is in how long it takes.
my socket 939 chip did a 120C fine
OVER 6 years old(AMD x2 Opteron 939)
2.9Ghz @ 1.75V ****ty chip i may add
still works to this day





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he wont listen
Let him melt it. It's his problem, you take that risk when the overclock. i agree he will kill his chip in like 2 weeks.
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