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he was reading the temps off his socket the temps on his CPU all say 0 even stock clocks i think he killed the temp sensors with the voltage.



thats Bull i seen the temps myself he took a screenshot and the socket temp said 109C

Bad sensor. Phenom is Incapable of taking screenshots at that temp smile.gif
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Bad sensor. Phenom is Incapable of taking screenshots at that temp
what did i just say? (i think he killed the temp sensors)

and thats also not true when i was unlocked i seen mine say 999C then drop to -999C then back to 0C then repeat the cycle.

and amd motherboards do to have socket temp's look it up
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Voltage causes more degradation than heat. But heat still causes degradation.
Ive seen a Phenom II degrade at 75C load. And the thing was rock stable and had good voltage.
I also cant say ive really seen any indication that AMD chips suffer from heat instability any more than intel. Heck, Ive seen no heat instability in AMD chips until you get into the same range that burns them up.
And the same goes for intel. They don't get unstable due to heat until they are burning up and degrading.
What was the voltage of the chip that was running 75c? Because while I guess I can only give anecdotal evidence as well but I have seen several phenom II's running only slightly over stock at stock volts with stock heatsinks hit 70c+ over the entire summer and never saw any degradation. I suppose I shouldn't have used such a blanket statement since obviously there are exceptions but from my experience running 70c+ during the entire summer didn't cause any noticeable degradation for them. And I should note the only reason I am mentioning heat instability is because thats what everyone around here seems to claim, I don't own a phenom II but I have helped with several builds for friends that have them so I do have some experience with them.
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Really, I didn't know that! While AMD cpus become unstable at much lower temps the temps where real degradation begins to happen is still around the same.




I've used plenty of amd chips, As I said they become very unstable but they are not going to die at that low of a temp. There is a very big difference between the point they become unstable and the point the cpu begins to degrade. AMD chips would be a joke if their chips degraded at that low of a temp. I should also note I am not recommending running at that temp, just saying the chips aren't going to start degrading the instant you go over 60.
AMD temp sensors are not in the same area as Intels. A AMD chip at 60C is like a Intel chip at 90C.

AMD states that chip should run at a MAX of 62C.

Degradation happens at stock.


Again AMD sensors are NOT in the same areas as INTELS. They are night and day, AMDs readings have nothing to do with INTELS readings.
    
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what did i just say? (i think he killed the temp sensors)

and thats also not true when i was unlocked i seen mine say 999C then drop to -999C then back to 0C then repeat the cycle.

and amd motherboards do to have socket temp's look it up
What you said is, his Phenom is running at 1.7v @105C+, Which is Not true.
This processor does Not operate at that temperature, get it through your thick head
A sensor reading 105C on an AMD system capable of taking screenshots, is a bad sensor and the actual temperature is *not* 105C
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What you said is, his Phenom is running at 1.7v @105C+, Which is Not true.
This processor does Not operate at that temperature, get it through your thick head
A sensor reading 105C on an AMD system capable of taking screenshots, is a bad sensor and the actual temperature is *not* 105C
Do you want to make a bet? You can disable all of the throttling junk in BIOS. I'm not so confident on 105*C...but my Athlon will load up at 90*C right now if I let it. At that point it locks up the whole system. Hence why I've got it limited to a dual core, and a significantly slower clock speed.
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Do you want to make a bet? You can disable all of the throttling junk in BIOS. I'm not so confident on 105*C...but my Athlon will load up at 90*C right now if I let it. At that point it locks up the whole system. Hence why I've got it limited to a dual core, and a significantly slower clock speed.
Yes, ok Take screenshots every 2 sec or something, as it heats up during Orthos or Prime or any. I bet it will crash @~70-80. Not to mention 105! You can also unplug the fan. I'm not responsible for any melting or other damage that might occur
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Yes, ok Take screenshots every 2 sec or something, as it heats up during Orthos or Prime or any. I bet it will crash @~70-80. Not to mention 105!
How about not? I'd prefer to NOT kill my chip. I only found this out because I was trying to figure out how high I could push my luck with temps, with this crappy stock aluminum cooler that doesn't have a fan on it.

Do you see what clock speeds I'm at? Do you see the voltage I'm at? Did you notice I'VE LIMITED MY QUAD TO A DUAL?

I'd really prefer to NOT kill my only chip, thank you.
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How about not? I'd prefer to NOT kill my chip. I only found this out because I was trying to figure out how high I could push my luck with temps, with this crappy stock aluminum cooler that doesn't have a fan on it.

Do you see what clock speeds I'm at? Do you see the voltage I'm at? Did you notice I'VE LIMITED MY QUAD TO A DUAL?

I'd really prefer to NOT kill my only chip, thank you.
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ahah he idles at 60C and under load it his 109C and he said its normal(he is stupid) mine idles at 15C and load is 36C. best part is he has a coolermaster rifle cooler and i got cheap rocketfish one ahaha i find that hilarious.
Phenom temp sensors are pretty bunk. Hence your's reading 15C at idle.. unless you keep your house below ~58 degrees F, that's not happening.

If his temps really are that high, I bet reseating the cooler and using less TIM would do wonders with lowering that temp. Might not be within safe thresholds with the 1.7v and whatnot, but much lower than, well, boiling.

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Intel is not AMD.
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