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I'm debating between the Sony NEX-3, Samsung NX10, Samsung NX100, and possibly the Panasonic GF2 in the APS-C/M43 range. The Olympus E-PL2 doesn't seem to be that enticing at its current price.

However, in the past, I have looked toward the Panasonic FZ100 and Canon SX30IS, both of which have faults that seem to diminish the sense of quality, though the Panasonic probably wins in terms of overall quality/performance.

I am looking forward at the Nikon P500, which interests me more than the FZ100 and SX30IS, with a seemingly broader range of modes and features, notably a more robust implementation of panorama over Sony's. I also believe that it will be at the best starting price point of $399 upon release.

My real question is how comparable is the image quality of the superzooms against the APS-C/M43?

I am aware that neither selection would be comparable to a true DSLR, but those are not within my budget, nor would those advanced features or size be suitable for me at this time. Lenses are quite expensive, as most of you know.

I would be using a camera for random excursions and events, as well as just moments of notable capture. I have always held a disdain for the limited zoom of P&S cameras, so those do not so much interest me. The quality of images taken with those have never been very satisfactory.

I hope I have made a concise and informative post to lead into suggestions. If not, let me know what I would need to clarify. Thanks.
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both aps-c and m43 will offer the same image quality (IQ) as their DSLR counter parts, due to the fact they use DSLR sensors and lenses. with that said, the cameras itself are going to be much larger then superzoom PS cameras with similar zoom levels (soemthing like 18-200mm).

as for IQ between the two, the EVIL (aps-c/m43) cameras will be heads and shoulders above those from a superzoom. but the question really is how much IQ are you willing to sacrifice for $ and size because to most people there wont be much difference unless you pixel peep....
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Well, for superzooms, I'm looking at those with 24+x zoom. This doesn't necessarily mean I will be utilizing the extreme end, but it offers some flexibility. I am rather concerned about the quality of the images at higher ISOs, as the range for superzooms usually drops off at 3200.

My understanding is that regardless of the sensors and lenses, there is still the issue of AF speed and internal IS in the body vs. external within lenses, and the ordeal that incites with inconvenience with lenses that would require MF.

Looking at the NEX-3, I am somewhat stuck between the minimalism in external controls vs the size and quality of the sensor. It also lacks any EVF, and has a rather dinky external flash accessory. I have read that the new firmware update has allowed for the assignment of 2 buttons to certain functions, so that it isn't as troublesome to have to dig through the menu, and that Alpha lenses now have IS. However, from videos, it the 3-4s time needed to focus just makes it seem rather clunky. CA also seems to be a somewhat unwelcome effect.

The NX10 is more DSLR-like, but the range of lenses at this point is lacking, and image quality is sub-par. The NX100 doesn't seem to do much better, with talk of their new iFn lenses being interesting in functional operation with camera control, but not necessarily IQ over the initial line of kit lenses.

The problem I'm having is how to discriminate what features I'd be willing to sacrifice. There is always something lacking; not having an EVF, not including a flash, having a less than adequate EVF, a weak flash, no hot shoe, slow startup, lack of external controls, bulkiness, etc.

I'm sure the reflection of these inadequacies on an IPS panel might make them seem worse.
Edited by Ikrin - 2/13/11 at 4:15pm
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A DSLR or EVIL will have better IQ than a p&s any day. There are some situations where the IQ difference is less apparent (outdoors and well lit), but DSLRs show their superiority in high ISO noise, dynamic range, better glass, speed, etc.

EVILs are ok I suppose, if you really need compactness, but they are clunky and slow compared to a DSLR (not to mention pricey). They only real benefits they have are interchangeable lenses and better IQ.

You should definitely be trying these out yourself. If not a pro shop, Best Buy has a lot of demos.
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Yea, I would like some sort of compactness. But the real issue would be price. Given the $200-$600 price range, there isn't much else to choose from. Over $500 would already be a bit extreme for me, but I'm just trying to make this a one-off buy until I feel I need something better.

I don't really have much help in terms of transportation, so I've mainly been watching videos and reading reviews. The NEX is a viable option in terms of compactness, if not considering the rather large protrusion that is the 18-55mm kit lens. My main concern is the menu system that doesn't seem quite as refined as it could be, and the limited customization of the controls, given that there are so few buttons to begin with.

I would love to get feedback from someone who owns either the NEX-3 or 5.

I'm sure coming from a DSLR, there's little to desire from those of the EVIL variety that a DSLR doesn't already have or exceed in quality, but I'm merely starting my journey, so it's rather difficult for me to be dropping such a significant amount.

I suppose I just need to find something in the M43 offerings or stick to a superzoom that at least beats out the usual line-up.
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How about a used DSLR? I come across ~$400 Rebel XS/XTi/occassional XSi on POTN almost everyday.

Not the level of compactness as an EVIL, but better controls, ergonomics, and lens selection.
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Originally Posted by r31ncarnat3d;12375752 
How about a used DSLR? I come across ~$400 Rebel XS/XTi/occassional XSi on POTN almost everyday.

Not the level of compactness as an EVIL, but better controls, ergonomics, and lens selection.

POTN? I wouldn't mind a used one, as long as it was in good condition. However, I'm looking for some of the more recent models, like the T1i, that include some type of video capture. I know a refurbished model can be had for ~$550 atm, but I'm still kind of meh about it.

If you could link me to any finds, that would be nice.
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I'm only seeing a WTB forum in the marketplace... Not seeing anything in the services.
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Just like OCN they have restrictions on the Marketplace. I'm pretty sure it's 30 days of membership to gain complete access.

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