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post #10331 of 22174
I really appreciate the 35X's compactness. Having used both DDC and D5, albeit in simple two block / two rad loops, I can't say I could justify the expensive of switching to a different platform just because. They both seem to get the job done. But good luck and I look forward to seeing pictures!
post #10332 of 22174
im having second thoughts now...... The cost is very very high simply because I have to buy the whole upgrade kit AND two reservoirs just for the 200mm tube. Ill have several multi-port and single port tops, clamps, plugs and aqua pipes, smaller res tubes among other things that I have to pay for in yet will go to waste..... and If I get the D5s then im going to have to make some rather large changes to my build to accomodate the size change... I have the current units mounted perfectly.... along with the clamps and panel fittings connected.

Ive been wanting to upgrade my monitor setup. Im using a single 29" ultra wide IPS and its not very good for gaming.... For the price of these D5s I could pay for a huge chunk of a triple monitor 144hz setup..... lol. Or a new pair of SSDs.
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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

Interesting, I have never had an issue running 35X's from an Aquaero, but not everyone's experience is the same I guess.

I assume then that you plan to voltage control the D5's from a couple of Aquaero channels? . . . . You realize they don't voltage control very well, and with a rather limited range. . . . about 3200 rpm at ~8.5V is the usual reliable minimum. Pretty much better to use the Vario and set it and forget it.

Actually, since you have the Aquaero, why not use the AC version of the D5 for the Aquaero . . . a bit more expensive, but uber controllable without having to do the cable plug mod to use the PWM D5 with the Aquaero.

I agree that you see more D5 builds, or more dual D5's in the higher tier builds, and there are some ergonomic plusses with additional pump ports.

I've got 3 dual 35X setups going into "Diva's Dementia", and 3 plate exchangers, so it should be a good test for the high end DDC's.


Darlene

well, to be more specific I havn't necessarily had too many issues actually running the pumps. Its just that I havn't had quite the same range in terms of RPM control that ive had when ive connected pumps to my motherboards. In the past, it was very easy for me to connect my pumps to my CPU header, and then id be able to easily go from 1200rpm all the way to 4500 rpm with the PWM control.

With the Aquaero, the PWM control isn't listed and I cant seem to get under 2500 rpm. Once I drop below about 5.8v, the pumps will suddenly shut off. Once I get above about 9.4volts, the pumps are running at full speed, whether I have Power or speed selected for control. Im using the cables that come with the Poweradjusts.
Edited by Nichismo - 1/4/15 at 6:41pm
post #10333 of 22174
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Originally Posted by nyk20z3 View Post

I feel the same way I just like to keep my options open and try different things.I am still undecided on rads but I like silence so I wanted to stick to a 800-1200rpm fan range without the use of a fan controller.I am waiting on GM200 to make another GPU purchase but I need all components in place before so. I am currently using a 4770K but would like to upgrade to a 4970K for a little extra performance & lower temps.I don't OC much because I never really had a reason to,I use to only run SLI set ups and would see a decent fps jump from a CPU OC.I only like to run 1 powerful card now so I don't foresee a ton of heat being dumped in to the loop but I also like overkill.

Potential rads would be -

XSPC EX360X2
XSPC RX360X2
Alpahcool UT60X2 - Advantage here would be a built in drain plug.
Alphacool XT45X2

http://wccftech.com/tsmc-buys-14b-worth-equipment-16nm-volume-prediction-begins-q2q3-2015/

Might be waiting a while tongue.gif

But then http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/web-site-publishes-alleged-specs-of-nvidias-gm200-quadro-m6000-12gb/
Edited by ALT F4 - 1/4/15 at 7:42pm
post #10334 of 22174
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichismo View Post

im having second thoughts now...... The cost is very very high simply because I have to buy the whole upgrade kit AND two reservoirs just for the 200mm tube. Ill have several multi-port and single port tops, clamps, plugs and aqua pipes, smaller res tubes among other things that I have to pay for in yet will go to waste..... and If I get the D5s then im going to have to make some rather large changes to my build to accomodate the size change... I have the current units mounted perfectly.... along with the clamps and panel fittings connected.

Ive been wanting to upgrade my monitor setup. Im using a single 29" ultra wide IPS and its not very good for gaming.... For the price of these D5s I could pay for a huge chunk of a triple monitor 144hz setup..... lol. Or a new pair of SSDs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

Interesting, I have never had an issue running 35X's from an Aquaero, but not everyone's experience is the same I guess.

I assume then that you plan to voltage control the D5's from a couple of Aquaero channels? . . . . You realize they don't voltage control very well, and with a rather limited range. . . . about 3200 rpm at ~8.5V is the usual reliable minimum. Pretty much better to use the Vario and set it and forget it.

Actually, since you have the Aquaero, why not use the AC version of the D5 for the Aquaero . . . a bit more expensive, but uber controllable without having to do the cable plug mod to use the PWM D5 with the Aquaero.

I agree that you see more D5 builds, or more dual D5's in the higher tier builds, and there are some ergonomic plusses with additional pump ports.

I've got 3 dual 35X setups going into "Diva's Dementia", and 3 plate exchangers, so it should be a good test for the high end DDC's.


Darlene

well, to be more specific I havn't necessarily had too many issues actually running the pumps. Its just that I havn't had quite the same range in terms of RPM control that ive had when ive connected pumps to my motherboards. In the past, it was very easy for me to connect my pumps to my CPU header, and then id be able to easily go from 1200rpm all the way to 4500 rpm with the PWM control.

With the Aquaero, the PWM control isn't listed and I cant seem to get under 2500 rpm. Once I drop below about 5.8v, the pumps will suddenly shut off. Once I get above about 9.4volts, the pumps are running at full speed, whether I have Power or speed selected for control. Im using the cables that come with the Poweradjusts.



Are you running the 35Xs from PA's? They're just variable voltage control, the 35X needs PWM for proper control.

Are you using an Aquaero 5 or the Aquaero 6?

If you're not running a 6 series, that would be the upgrade to make.

Makes a big difference, as the power capability of the 6 is much greater with much less heat, . . . . But for your dual loop 35Xs, the 6 series has all 4 channels PWM capable, where the 5 series only has 1 PWM capable channel.

You just plug the 4 pin fan connector from the pump onto an Aquaero fan channel, and set the Aquasuite software to PWM control for that channel. Connect the pump's molex to the PSU, since it just needs 12V.

Full PWM control and no power adjusts.

Perfect control from ~1200 to 4500

You may like your 35Xs more when you get them to control as they are designed to and don't become finicky at low speeds.


Darlene
Edited by IT Diva - 1/5/15 at 3:05am
post #10335 of 22174
Quote:
Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

Interesting, I have never had an issue running 35X's from an Aquaero, but not everyone's experience is the same I guess.

I assume then that you plan to voltage control the D5's from a couple of Aquaero channels? . . . . You realize they don't voltage control very well, and with a rather limited range. . . . about 3200 rpm at ~8.5V is the usual reliable minimum. Pretty much better to use the Vario and set it and forget it.

Actually, since you have the Aquaero, why not use the AC version of the D5 for the Aquaero . . . a bit more expensive, but uber controllable without having to do the cable plug mod to use the PWM D5 with the Aquaero.

I agree that you see more D5 builds, or more dual D5's in the higher tier builds, and there are some ergonomic plusses with additional pump ports.

I've got 3 dual 35X setups going into "Diva's Dementia", and 3 plate exchangers, so it should be a good test for the high end DDC's.


Darlene
Quote:
Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

Are you running the 35Xs from PA's? They're just variable voltage control, the 35X needs PWM for proper control.

Are you using an Aquaero 5 or the Aquaero 6?

If you're not running a 6 series, that would be the upgrade to make.

Makes a big difference, as the power capability of the 6 is much greater with much less heat, . . . . But for your dual loop 35Xs, the 6 series has all 4 channels PWM capable, where the 5 series only has 1 PWM capable channel.

You just plug the 4 pin fan connector from the pump onto an Aquaero fan channel, and set the Aquasuite software to PWM control for that channel. Connect the pump's molex to the PSU, since it just needs 12V.

Full PWM control and no power adjusts.

Perfect control from ~1200 to 4500

You may like your 35Xs more when you get them to control as they are designed to and don't become finicky at low speeds.


Darlene

I have the 6 XT. lol

its weird, I have them connected with their intended cables, the one that comes with the Poweradjust. This cable lead me to believe that I cant just plug in the 4 pin header, because it only consists of a male molex and a 1 pin male fan header....

but regardless, I already changed my mind about the D5s. Its just too costly
post #10336 of 22174
The one with the PA isn't a PWM pump. The PA lets you adjust the voltage through Aquasuite. It actually works rather well, if you have one PWM pump and one fixed speed, I could see that being a reason to want to upgrade. Although I would just buy another PWM DDC and be done. Hook them up to a PWM channel on your 6XT and mucho joy.
post #10337 of 22174
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Originally Posted by Nichismo View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

Interesting, I have never had an issue running 35X's from an Aquaero, but not everyone's experience is the same I guess.

I assume then that you plan to voltage control the D5's from a couple of Aquaero channels? . . . . You realize they don't voltage control very well, and with a rather limited range. . . . about 3200 rpm at ~8.5V is the usual reliable minimum. Pretty much better to use the Vario and set it and forget it.

Actually, since you have the Aquaero, why not use the AC version of the D5 for the Aquaero . . . a bit more expensive, but uber controllable without having to do the cable plug mod to use the PWM D5 with the Aquaero.

I agree that you see more D5 builds, or more dual D5's in the higher tier builds, and there are some ergonomic plusses with additional pump ports.

I've got 3 dual 35X setups going into "Diva's Dementia", and 3 plate exchangers, so it should be a good test for the high end DDC's.


Darlene
Quote:
Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

Are you running the 35Xs from PA's? They're just variable voltage control, the 35X needs PWM for proper control.

Are you using an Aquaero 5 or the Aquaero 6?

If you're not running a 6 series, that would be the upgrade to make.

Makes a big difference, as the power capability of the 6 is much greater with much less heat, . . . . But for your dual loop 35Xs, the 6 series has all 4 channels PWM capable, where the 5 series only has 1 PWM capable channel.

You just plug the 4 pin fan connector from the pump onto an Aquaero fan channel, and set the Aquasuite software to PWM control for that channel. Connect the pump's molex to the PSU, since it just needs 12V.

Full PWM control and no power adjusts.

Perfect control from ~1200 to 4500

You may like your 35Xs more when you get them to control as they are designed to and don't become finicky at low speeds.


Darlene

I have the 6 XT. lol

its weird, I have them connected with their intended cables, the one that comes with the Poweradjust. This cable lead me to believe that I cant just plug in the 4 pin header, because it only consists of a male molex and a 1 pin male fan header....

but regardless, I already changed my mind about the D5s. Its just too costly


I can agree on the benefit not justifying the cost to go to D5's . . .

But if you have 35Xs, then let's be sure you're getting all the benefit that their PWM capability can give you with the Aq6.

To be sure, the 35X has both a green wire for PWM and a blue wire for the tach, as well as the usual black and yellow for the 12V supply.


Darlene
post #10338 of 22174
Hello!

Any chance there might be a slightly different standard full tower in the works someday? I have often considered a Merlin SM8 but it just isn't quite configured the way I want--
I would like a design optimized for 2 360mm radiators in a lower chamber, and the obligatory Flex Bay space for a 240mm in the front or at the top. Can this be done without using a pedestal?

Origin has somehow managed this design with their Genesis case which I would probably purchase if it weren't steel and plastic with a front panel with a swinging door:


I love the flex bays and the CaseLabs industrial look but Origin has somehow pulled this configuration off with the following dimensions: 25.26 x 9.75 x 24.8 in which is about all the room I have available.

It is the only case with this type of configuration and size that I am aware of and I think it would be an absolute slam dunk as far as sales is concerned if CaseLabs could do a similar chassis.
post #10339 of 22174
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Originally Posted by electro2u View Post

Hello!

Any chance there might be a slightly different standard full tower in the works someday? I have often considered a Merlin SM8 but it just isn't quite configured the way I want--
I would like a design optimized for 2 360mm radiators in a lower chamber, and the obligatory Flex Bay space for a 240mm in the front or at the top. Can this be done without using a pedestal?

Origin has somehow managed this design with their Genesis case which I would probably purchase if it weren't steel and plastic with a front panel with a swinging door: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I love the flex bays and the CaseLabs industrial look but Origin has somehow pulled this configuration off with the following dimensions: 25.26 x 9.75 x 24.8 in which is about all the room I have available.

It is the only case with this type of configuration and size that I am aware of and I think it would be an absolute slam dunk as far as sales is concerned if CaseLabs could do a similar chassis.

They have one already, it's called the SMA8 and it's a beauty...

http://www.caselabs-store.com/magnum-sma8/

post #10340 of 22174
Quote:
Originally Posted by electro2u View Post

Hello!

Any chance there might be a slightly different standard full tower in the works someday? I have often considered a Merlin SM8 but it just isn't quite configured the way I want--
I would like a design optimized for 2 360mm radiators in a lower chamber, and the obligatory Flex Bay space for a 240mm in the front or at the top. Can this be done without using a pedestal?

Origin has somehow managed this design with their Genesis case which I would probably purchase if it weren't steel and plastic with a front panel with a swinging door:


I love the flex bays and the CaseLabs industrial look but Origin has somehow pulled this configuration off with the following dimensions: 25.26 x 9.75 x 24.8 in which is about all the room I have available.

It is the only case with this type of configuration and size that I am aware of and I think it would be an absolute slam dunk as far as sales is concerned if CaseLabs could do a similar chassis.

The SMA8 is 25.75"H x 26.56"D x 11.25"W. So it's just a hair bigger than the origin case. The SMA8 was an idea I had that Jim blew up, and it's one of our newer chassis, yet gets its influence from our STH10. No rivets, no steel, no plastic, no magnets, no doors. All of the panels are secured just like on any of our other chassis.

Plus, from what I hear, it's a water cooling dream. smile.gif
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