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I normally wouldn't comment on gear that I don't currently have, or at least have had in the past.
and I won't here because I am not an STH10 owner.
But, in this case biggrin.gif I am going to comment on advice given by someone else because it just doesn't seem to add up to me rolleyes.gif

STH10 specs from the CaseLabs site for the top and bottom chambers are as follows:
Upper Chamber Dimensions - 26.00"(660mm) x 9.70"(246mm) x 6.41"(163mm) - 163mm being the width.
Lower Chamber Dimensions - 26.00"(660mm) x 9.70"(246mm) x 7.41"(188mm) - 188mm being the width.

Given these sizes, I can't see how @ALT F4 could suggest "quad 80mm radiators in the top and bottom"
what about fans, mounting brackets, fittings & tube - where do these go ??
and as @ratzofftoya pointed out, psu mounting seems to have been neglected with the suggestion.

We all encourage participation for sure, but if advice is going to be offered to potential buyers, lets either have first hand experience or at least check out some facts before posting thumb.gif

Thanks for the back up! But are you sure that the third measurement is the width? It would make more sense to me that the height varies between the two compartments rather than the width.


The 9.70" dimension is the width between the side covers, . . . . the important dimension is the width between the rad mount brackets listed farther down, at 8.5" (217mm).

Since in push pull, the outer fans are on the outside of the brackets, they don't weigh into the "space required" criteria.

Two Monsta rads is 170mm plus 2 fans is 50mm for a total of 220 . . . so it still won't fit 2 Monstas, even if you could put them next to each other with no space between the inner fans.

Two ~60mm rads just barely works, . . . . actual width for two is more like 130mm, plus 50mm for fans, and all you have left for the space between the fans is 37mm. . . . Still not much room to work in, but doable

If you go with Hardware Labs rads, they are slightly less than 60mm thick, so you'd get a little better airflow space between the rads. every few mm of working space helps


For what you want, I'd be thinking along the lines of a single 480 up top for the CPU/mobo loop and have the PSU up top . . . . .

And then go with a pair of 560's on the bottom for your tri-SLi setup . . . . going with nominally 60mm thick rads all around.

If I was building in the STH10 instead of the TH10A, (not that I would) I'd be sure to go with HWL rads on the bottom for sure, to get that little bit more airflow/ working space between the fans.

Darlene
post #10402 of 22279
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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

The 9.70" dimension is the width between the side covers, . . . . the important dimension is the width between the rad mount brackets listed farther down, at 8.5" (217mm).

Since in push pull, the outer fans are on the outside of the brackets, they don't weigh into the "space required" criteria.

Two Monsta rads is 170mm plus 2 fans is 50mm for a total of 220 . . . so it still won't fit 2 Monstas, even if you could put them next to each other with no space between the inner fans.

Two ~60mm rads just barely works, . . . . actual width for two is more like 130mm, plus 50mm for fans, and all you have left for the space between the fans is 37mm. . . . Still not much room to work in, but doable

If you go with Hardware Labs rads, they are slightly less than 60mm thick, so you'd get a little better airflow space between the rads. every few mm of working space helps


For what you want, I'd be thinking along the lines of a single 480 up top for the CPU/mobo loop and have the PSU up top . . . . .

And then go with a pair of 560's on the bottom for your tri-SLi setup . . . . going with nominally 60mm thick rads all around.

If I was building in the STH10 instead of the TH10A, (not that I would) I'd be sure to go with HWL rads on the bottom for sure, to get that little bit more airflow/ working space between the fans.

Darlene

Thanks, Darlene! Super helpful!

Why do you prefer the TH10A?
post #10403 of 22279
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Originally Posted by ratzofftoya View Post

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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

The 9.70" dimension is the width between the side covers, . . . . the important dimension is the width between the rad mount brackets listed farther down, at 8.5" (217mm).

Since in push pull, the outer fans are on the outside of the brackets, they don't weigh into the "space required" criteria.

Two Monsta rads is 170mm plus 2 fans is 50mm for a total of 220 . . . so it still won't fit 2 Monstas, even if you could put them next to each other with no space between the inner fans.

Two ~60mm rads just barely works, . . . . actual width for two is more like 130mm, plus 50mm for fans, and all you have left for the space between the fans is 37mm. . . . Still not much room to work in, but doable

If you go with Hardware Labs rads, they are slightly less than 60mm thick, so you'd get a little better airflow space between the rads. every few mm of working space helps


For what you want, I'd be thinking along the lines of a single 480 up top for the CPU/mobo loop and have the PSU up top . . . . .

And then go with a pair of 560's on the bottom for your tri-SLi setup . . . . going with nominally 60mm thick rads all around.

If I was building in the STH10 instead of the TH10A, (not that I would) I'd be sure to go with HWL rads on the bottom for sure, to get that little bit more airflow/ working space between the fans.

Darlene

Thanks, Darlene! Super helpful!

Why do you prefer the TH10A?


I like the wider, more stable, footprint with the extra space behind the mobo tray, that it gives.

To me it's way more useful, expandable, practical, and more aesthetically pleasing.

If I were building a tri/quad GPU high end rig, with the clean main area look you're wanting to achieve, with just water cooling, no chiller or phase, I'd go with the TH10A with the lower rads in a pedestal and the top rad(s) in an extended top.

The extra several inches of width would let you go with 560 Monstas in the ped if you wanted to, and still have enough of room between them.

The extra width also puts the PSU(s) mounting(s) behind the mobo tray, so they don't have to infringe on the rad space or use extra long cables.

There's also plenty of space below the mobo tray to add a light panel midplate if you wanted. . . . Actually, there's enough room there that you could mount pumps either on it or under it, for a super clean interior look.

As it is, the TH10A build I'm working on now has a chiller to go with it, so no ped needed since the rad space needs are considerably reduced, and just the shorter 31mm extended top since it's a reverse atx and I kinda like to see the rad and lower set of fans above the mobo.


Darlene
Edited by IT Diva - 1/10/15 at 6:38am
post #10404 of 22279
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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

I like the wider, more stable, footprint with the extra space behind the mobo tray, that it gives.

To me it's way more useful, expandable, practical, and more aesthetically pleasing.

If I were building a tri/quad GPU high end rig, with the clean main area look you're wanting to achieve, with just water cooling, no chiller or phase, I'd go with the TH10A with the lower rads in a pedestal and the top rad(s) in an extended top.

The extra several inches of width would let you go with 560 Monstas in the ped if you wanted to, and still have enough of room between them.

The extra width also puts the PSU(s) mounting(s) behind the mobo tray, so they don't have to infringe on the rad space or use extra long cables.

There's also plenty of space below the mobo tray to add a light panel midplate if you wanted. . . . Actually, there's enough room there that you could mount pumps either on it or under it, for a super clean interior look.

As it is, the TH10A build I'm working on now has a chiller to go with it, so no ped needed since the rad space needs are considerably reduced, and just the shorter 31mm extended top since it's a reverse atx and I kinda like to see the rad and lower set of fans above the mobo.


Darlene

Great advice, definitely food for thought. Do you know of a TH10A build with a mid plate like that?
post #10405 of 22279
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I like the wider, more stable, footprint with the extra space behind the mobo tray, that it gives.

To me it's way more useful, expandable, practical, and more aesthetically pleasing.

If I were building a tri/quad GPU high end rig, with the clean main area look you're wanting to achieve, with just water cooling, no chiller or phase, I'd go with the TH10A with the lower rads in a pedestal and the top rad(s) in an extended top.

The extra several inches of width would let you go with 560 Monstas in the ped if you wanted to, and still have enough of room between them.

The extra width also puts the PSU(s) mounting(s) behind the mobo tray, so they don't have to infringe on the rad space or use extra long cables.

There's also plenty of space below the mobo tray to add a light panel midplate if you wanted. . . . Actually, there's enough room there that you could mount pumps either on it or under it, for a super clean interior look.

As it is, the TH10A build I'm working on now has a chiller to go with it, so no ped needed since the rad space needs are considerably reduced, and just the shorter 31mm extended top since it's a reverse atx and I kinda like to see the rad and lower set of fans above the mobo.


Darlene

Great advice, definitely food for thought. Do you know of a TH10A build with a mid plate like that?


Only mine so far . . . . .

I wanted to add something unique and original, besides the power doors, so I made up an infinite reflection light panel that goes on the bottom, with all the pump/res modules and the plate exchangers mounted on a plexi panel on top of it.

It's not quite done test fitting yet, as I ran out of material for the second inner light island for the left side. I should have that done tomorrow and I can see it in all its radiant splendor.

The RGB led strips are only the low density ones with a simple controller, since that's what I could find locally to test the concept with.

If I need more light, I can change to a hi density strip with twice the LEDs.

Aquacomputer should have their new Farbwerk LED controller in the e-tailers shortly, so I wanted something that could work with that as well.

The design is such that it's modular, and can be pulled out the side and modified or a different lighting design can slide in to replace it. . . . . not too sure how that's going to work out though, it's a pretty snug fit, and the wiring may confound that plan.

I could also replace the top 2-way mirror with a white acrylic diffuser and have a plain light panel.


Darlene


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Originally Posted by ratzofftoya View Post

Wow, two of those will fit side-by-side in one of the compartments WITH fans? This case must be huge!

I don't think I can do 4, though...Then there wouldn't be any room for the PSU!



I don't think I could even suggest 4 tongue.gif My post was suggesting a quad radiator in the top and in the bottom.
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Originally Posted by fast_fate View Post

This is why I usually don't comment on things I can't touch - damn it.
I really should have looked more closely - I was thinking that the chamber dimensions would follow the lead given in the chassis dimensions...in the order they are listed (if you know what I mean)
height x depth x width, but seems like I didn't look hard enough, as the chamber sizes do appear to be in different order
"Overall Exterior Dimensions - 32.25"H x 26.56"D x 11.25"W (819mm x 675mm x 286mm)"

Apologies ALT F4.
Though even in one of the chambers, monstas facing each other wouldn't fit with push/pull fans, which is what they need to be of any benefit over thinner rads redface.gif
I'll crawl back under my rock for a while tongue.gif

Previous post edited kookoo.gif
No need to appologize, discussions are good to help us work out problems or miscommunications. I had suggested two monsta total for ratzofftoya's build, he misunderstood and thought I meant two in the top two in the bottom. Yeah they definitely need push pull, this is why I think they were a good suggestion for him. Nice low fin count to allow for lower speed fans and a super thick radiator to hold a nice volume of water. All around great radiator from alphacool.
Edited by ALT F4 - 1/11/15 at 10:30pm
post #10409 of 22279
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Originally Posted by ALT F4 View Post

I don't think I could even suggest 4 tongue.gif My post was suggesting a quad radiator in the top and in the bottom.
No need to appologize, discussions are good to help us work out problems or miscommunications. I had suggested two monsta total for ratzofftoya's build, he misunderstood and thought I meant two in the top two in the bottom. Yeah they definitely need push pull, this is why I think they were a good suggestion for him. Nice low fin count to allow for lower speed fans and a super thick radiator to hold a nice volume of water. All around great radiator from alphacool.

Awesome, a PSU will if in there with a push/pull Monsta? That sounds like a compelling option. Also, do you know if a short-form 5.25 device (like an Aquaero) would fit in the front with a 560 Monsta in pus/pull?
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Originally Posted by ratzofftoya View Post

Awesome, a PSU will if in there with a push/pull Monsta? That sounds like a compelling option. Also, do you know if a short-form 5.25 device (like an Aquaero) would fit in the front with a 560 Monsta in pus/pull?
Yeah my Monsta 480 is sitting in push pull in the bottom with about an inch between the psu and fan. I can't tell you about the aquaero since I don't have one and don't know how it's built. For me to fit my fan controller and nzxt hue on the top bay drive I had to saw off half of each side so it wouldn't clash with the radiator. Tomorrow I'll try to snap some pictures and message you on here so I don't ramble more tongue.gif

If you have time I would take a peek at the first page and see if any other Magnum STH10's have some screenshot with similar so you can visualize.
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