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From an engineering perspective, it's a lot less than an optimal setup to have 2 rads side by side in the top/bottom of that case because it's sufficiently narrow that no matter how you flow the air thru the rads, either one gets warm air from the other, or they both push towards the center space, which can't exit the air as fast as it wants to get there, creating a relatively stalled condition, so neither rad has normal levels of air flow thru it.

From the looks perspective, it looks kickass to have all those fans showing, and that's probably the greater percentage of the reason that configuration is so popular
In the relatively confined space of the top or bottom compartments, and nominally 60mm thick rads in P-P . . . . the space between them is barely an inch, and then figure there's 120mm times 480mm of intake cross sectional area . . .Times 2 . . . pushing into that narrow plenum space with no actual outlet to atmosphere, . . . . and airflow thru the rads just dies.

Moving air from one side thru one rad and then the other, the narrow gap between them is virtually irrelevant since it has no way to draw any fresh air or expel warmed air, it's just a duct.

When it comes to 2 big rads all boxed in next to each other, there just is no good way to do that if you're after more than just aesthetics.

Darlene

Certainly not optimal. But one of the posts above suggests that it's actually detrimental--that one 480, say in push/pull, may do a better job than two both pulling or pushing or what have you. I've essentially made peace with the fact that I won't get an optimal setup in this case unless I get a pedestal or something. So my question is: given my desired components (ram and full cover mobo on one loop, 5960x overclocked; 3xGTX 980 on another loop, mildly overclocked) and the parameters of the STH10 case, what is my best bet in terms or rad and fan placement? Or am I basically SOL in terms of being able to adequately cool my components? Not trying to set any world record, but e-peen and unnecessary rads aren't my jam, either.
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From an engineering perspective, it's a lot less than an optimal setup to have 2 rads side by side in the top/bottom of that case because it's sufficiently narrow that no matter how you flow the air thru the rads, either one gets warm air from the other, or they both push towards the center space, which can't exit the air as fast as it wants to get there, creating a relatively stalled condition, so neither rad has normal levels of air flow thru it.

From the looks perspective, it looks kickass to have all those fans showing, and that's probably the greater percentage of the reason that configuration is so popular
In the relatively confined space of the top or bottom compartments, and nominally 60mm thick rads in P-P . . . . the space between them is barely an inch, and then figure there's 120mm times 480mm of intake cross sectional area . . .Times 2 . . . pushing into that narrow plenum space with no actual outlet to atmosphere, . . . . and airflow thru the rads just dies.

Moving air from one side thru one rad and then the other, the narrow gap between them is virtually irrelevant since it has no way to draw any fresh air or expel warmed air, it's just a duct.

When it comes to 2 big rads all boxed in next to each other, there just is no good way to do that if you're after more than just aesthetics.

Darlene

Certainly not optimal. But one of the posts above suggests that it's actually detrimental--that one 480, say in push/pull, may do a better job than two both pulling or pushing or what have you. I've essentially made peace with the fact that I won't get an optimal setup in this case unless I get a pedestal or something. So my question is: given my desired components (ram and full cover mobo on one loop, 5960x overclocked; 3xGTX 980 on another loop, mildly overclocked) and the parameters of the STH10 case, what is my best bet in terms or rad and fan placement? Or am I basically SOL in terms of being able to adequately cool my components? Not trying to set any world record, but e-peen and unnecessary rads aren't my jam, either.

It mostly depends on fan speed and FPI of the rad in question,low speed fans and a high FPI rad will not suffer as much as a high speed fan with a low FPI rad.
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Also,my S3 is still dong well for itself.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/fkim45gdmd/18-clos3-impact/
Good to see the recognition.
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post #10754 of 22194
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It mostly depends on fan speed and FPI of the rad in question,low speed fans and a high FPI rad will not suffer as much as a high speed fan with a low FPI rad.

So do you think that side-by-side low FPI rads would be a viable cooling solution for me?
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It mostly depends on fan speed and FPI of the rad in question,low speed fans and a high FPI rad will not suffer as much as a high speed fan with a low FPI rad.

So do you think that side-by-side low FPI rads would be a viable cooling solution for me?
Yes,coupled with low fan speeds,just make sure you can actively vent the rad bay.
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Yes,coupled with low fan speeds,just make sure you can actively vent the rad bay.

Interesting. In one of the bays, a PSU fan will be doing that work. In the other, I'm not so sure. Any ideas?
post #10757 of 22194
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I never addressed sufficiency, there's a number of variables that come into play there that have not been brought up . . . . So I haven't anything to address that point with.

I addressed only the relative wisdom of a fairly common rad configuration found in STH10 builds. . .

From an engineering perspective, it's a lot less than an optimal setup to have 2 rads side by side in the top/bottom of that case because it's sufficiently narrow that no matter how you flow the air thru the rads, either one gets warm air from the other, or they both push towards the center space, which can't exit the air as fast as it wants to get there, creating a relatively stalled condition, so neither rad has normal levels of air flow thru it.

From the looks perspective, it looks kickass to have all those fans showing, and that's probably the greater percentage of the reason that configuration is so popular
In the relatively confined space of the top or bottom compartments, and nominally 60mm thick rads in P-P . . . . the space between them is barely an inch, and then figure there's 120mm times 480mm of intake cross sectional area . . .Times 2 . . . pushing into that narrow plenum space with no actual outlet to atmosphere, . . . . and airflow thru the rads just dies.

Moving air from one side thru one rad and then the other, the narrow gap between them is virtually irrelevant since it has no way to draw any fresh air or expel warmed air, it's just a duct.

When it comes to 2 big rads all boxed in next to each other, there just is no good way to do that if you're after more than just aesthetics.

Darlene

You know, on second thought, why am I spending so much time thinking about how to fight against the case. You were right all along, Darlene--a TH10A with a pedestal is just a petter solution. Now you'll just have to show me how to make a sweet illuminated midplate....
post #10758 of 22194
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I'm thinking that given my need to put a 1500i in one of those compartments, I'll go for a 480 and 280 for the CPU/mobo loop (with the PSU sitting behind the 280) and two 480s for the GPU loop. Hopefully that'll be good, what do y'all think?

I am sure all the experienced people have given you the right advice. So, go with that first. smile.gif

Here are my thoughts, if you are open to the idea of a pedestal:

1. put 2 480s in a pedestal - GPU loop
2. put 2 560s in the bottom chamber - CPU loop
3. If not going with 2 PSUs, you can add another 480 to the top chamber and include it in whichever loop you like
4. Maximize rad space- Add a 360 to the front

So, potentially up to 6 rads, and if feeling adventurous , I saw someone "maximize pedestal capacity" for sth10/smh10 by adding another rad to the floor of the pedestal...

May be an overkill of course, but hey what else is anyone here to do eh... tongue.gif
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Yes,coupled with low fan speeds,just make sure you can actively vent the rad bay.

Not really an issue on the SMA8/STH10 because of the large ventilated side panels. Theory and practice don't always go hand in hand. Even with 3,000 RPM fans, you couldn't move enough CFM to create a pressure problem (and there's always the ventilated bottom cover if you're really concerned wink.gif ). While in theory, airflow could be an issue, in practice with low volume fans (ALL consumer 120/140 fans are low volume in terms of CFM), it would be very difficult to measure significant differences. I would not crossflow from one side to the next; that would be the least optimal. Pulling from the outside (both sides) would be the next choice - once again, stand-off issues would be negligible , even with P/P high RPM fans.Finally, drawing air from inside and exhausting outside would yield the best results (the configuration I use). The SMA8 /STH10 can easily "breathe" enough to make that work.

The real advantage of those cases however, is that you can use over-sized radiators with low speed fans and still get very good results.They're capable of striking a very good balance between overclocking headroom without sounding like a jet taking off wink.gif In my old age biggrin.gif I've come to detest excessive fan noise on my workstations, so my new one, Zeus will be built around that premise.Gaming isn't a problem, but when I'm designing at 5:30 AM (my start time smile.gif ), I really hate breaking the calm of the morning with a bunch of fans spinning up...

The best of all worlds is the TX10. The chambers are completely isolated (like the STH10) and the rad spacing minimizes laminar airflow problems. Of course, it's huge (and now you know why wink.gif ), so it's just a matter of where on the curve you want to be - for me, the SMA8 is the sweet spot for a high-end workstation. Your mileage may vary wink.gif
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Not really an issue on the SMA8/STH10 because of the large ventilated side panels. Theory and practice don't always go hand in hand. Even with 3,000 RPM fans, you couldn't move enough CFM to create a pressure problem (and there's always the ventilated bottom cover if you're really concerned wink.gif ). While in theory, airflow could be an issue, in practice with low volume fans (ALL consumer 120/140 fans are low volume in terms of CFM), it would be very difficult to measure significant differences. I would not crossflow from one side to the next; that would be the least optimal. Pulling from the outside (both sides) would be the next choice - once again, stand-off issues would be negligible , even with P/P high RPM fans.Finally, drawing air from inside and exhausting outside would yield the best results (the configuration I use). The SMA8 /STH10 can easily "breathe" enough to make that work.

The real advantage of those cases however, is that you can use over-sized radiators with low speed fans and still get very good results.They're capable of striking a very good balance between overclocking headroom without sounding like a jet taking off wink.gif In my old age biggrin.gif I've come to detest excessive fan noise on my workstations, so my new one, Zeus will be built around that premise.Gaming isn't a problem, but when I'm designing at 5:30 AM (my start time smile.gif ), I really hate breaking the calm of the morning with a bunch of fans spinning up...

The best of all worlds is the TX10. The chambers are completely isolated (like the STH10) and the rad spacing minimizes laminar airflow problems. Of course, it's huge (and now you know why wink.gif ), so it's just a matter of where on the curve you want to be - for me, the SMA8 is the sweet spot for a high-end workstation. Your mileage may vary wink.gif

Thanks for the advice! How do you have your rads set up in the SMA8?
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