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Thanks for the advice! How do you have your rads set up in the SMA8?

Exhausting out (to start), but in my situation, it doesn't really matter because I'm not going P/P and the fans will only be running at 700-1,000 RPM. I'm using a 560 + 480 + 280 for a CPU (I7-5930K) and dual GPU's (if the GM200's ever get released rolleyes.gif )
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Not really an issue on the SMA8/STH10 because of the large ventilated side panels. Theory and practice don't always go hand in hand. Even with 3,000 RPM fans, you couldn't move enough CFM to create a pressure problem (and there's always the ventilated bottom cover if you're really concerned wink.gif ). While in theory, airflow could be an issue, in practice with low volume fans (ALL consumer 120/140 fans are low volume in terms of CFM), it would be very difficult to measure significant differences. I would not crossflow from one side to the next; that would be the least optimal. Pulling from the outside (both sides) would be the next choice - once again, stand-off issues would be negligible , even with P/P high RPM fans.Finally, drawing air from inside and exhausting outside would yield the best results (the configuration I use). The SMA8 /STH10 can easily "breathe" enough to make that work.

The real advantage of those cases however, is that you can use over-sized radiators with low speed fans and still get very good results.They're capable of striking a very good balance between overclocking headroom without sounding like a jet taking off wink.gif In my old age biggrin.gif I've come to detest excessive fan noise on my workstations, so my new one, Zeus will be built around that premise.Gaming isn't a problem, but when I'm designing at 5:30 AM (my start time smile.gif ), I really hate breaking the calm of the morning with a bunch of fans spinning up...

The best of all worlds is the TX10. The chambers are completely isolated (like the STH10) and the rad spacing minimizes laminar airflow problems. Of course, it's huge (and now you know why wink.gif ), so it's just a matter of where on the curve you want to be - for me, the SMA8 is the sweet spot for a high-end workstation. Your mileage may vary wink.gif

I will add to this by saying the the original TH10 design is more optimal for extreme cooling. There is the issue of heat dump in the compartments, but that is minimized by the shear volume of air in those compartments. If you really want to go all out, the TH10 (TH10 + pedestal) will yield the highest results without going to a TX10.
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I will add to this by saying the the original TH10 design is more optimal for extreme cooling. There is the issue of heat dump in the compartments, but that is minimized by the shear volume of air in those compartments. If you really want to go all out, the TH10 (TH10 + pedestal) will yield the highest results without going to a TX10.

Thanks, as I mentioned, I don't really care about going "all out" or keeping the delta at a minimum. I really just want to provide sufficient cooling for two overclocked loops: one with an overclocked i7-5960X and mobo components, and the other with 3xGTX 980s. I'd also like to have no rads visible in the main compartment. Unfortunately, that leaves me confused as to which direction to go in, in terms of the best Caselabs case.
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Yes,coupled with low fan speeds,just make sure you can actively vent the rad bay.

Not really an issue on the SMA8/STH10 because of the large ventilated side panels. Theory and practice don't always go hand in hand. Even with 3,000 RPM fans, you couldn't move enough CFM to create a pressure problem (and there's always the ventilated bottom cover if you're really concerned wink.gif ). While in theory, airflow could be an issue, in practice with low volume fans (ALL consumer 120/140 fans are low volume in terms of CFM), it would be very difficult to measure significant differences. I would not crossflow from one side to the next; that would be the least optimal. Pulling from the outside (both sides) would be the next choice - once again, stand-off issues would be negligible , even with P/P high RPM fans.Finally, drawing air from inside and exhausting outside would yield the best results (the configuration I use). The SMA8 /STH10 can easily "breathe" enough to make that work.

The real advantage of those cases however, is that you can use over-sized radiators with low speed fans and still get very good results.They're capable of striking a very good balance between overclocking headroom without sounding like a jet taking off wink.gif In my old age biggrin.gif I've come to detest excessive fan noise on my workstations, so my new one, Zeus will be built around that premise.Gaming isn't a problem, but when I'm designing at 5:30 AM (my start time smile.gif ), I really hate breaking the calm of the morning with a bunch of fans spinning up...

The best of all worlds is the TX10. The chambers are completely isolated (like the STH10) and the rad spacing minimizes laminar airflow problems. Of course, it's huge (and now you know why wink.gif ), so it's just a matter of where on the curve you want to be - for me, the SMA8 is the sweet spot for a high-end workstation. Your mileage may vary wink.gif

I wasnt referring to a specific case,I was talking in a more generalized view,all the points you have raised are valid for your generously proportioned cases. This was more for the everyday case,the likes of the TJ07 for example suffer from a small rad bay with poor venting,breathing space becomes very congested. I should of been more clear....I thought I was in the WC thread if im honest...

Recycling exhaust air to feed another is never a good thing,thats WC 101.
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Yes,coupled with low fan speeds,just make sure you can actively vent the rad bay.

Not really an issue on the SMA8/STH10 because of the large ventilated side panels. Theory and practice don't always go hand in hand. Even with 3,000 RPM fans, you couldn't move enough CFM to create a pressure problem (and there's always the ventilated bottom cover if you're really concerned wink.gif ). While in theory, airflow could be an issue, in practice with low volume fans (ALL consumer 120/140 fans are low volume in terms of CFM), it would be very difficult to measure significant differences. I would not crossflow from one side to the next; that would be the least optimal. Pulling from the outside (both sides) would be the next choice - once again, stand-off issues would be negligible , even with P/P high RPM fans.Finally, drawing air from inside and exhausting outside would yield the best results (the configuration I use). The SMA8 /STH10 can easily "breathe" enough to make that work.

The real advantage of those cases however, is that you can use over-sized radiators with low speed fans and still get very good results.They're capable of striking a very good balance between overclocking headroom without sounding like a jet taking off wink.gif In my old age biggrin.gif I've come to detest excessive fan noise on my workstations, so my new one, Zeus will be built around that premise.Gaming isn't a problem, but when I'm designing at 5:30 AM (my start time smile.gif ), I really hate breaking the calm of the morning with a bunch of fans spinning up...

The best of all worlds is the TX10. The chambers are completely isolated (like the STH10) and the rad spacing minimizes laminar airflow problems. Of course, it's huge (and now you know why wink.gif ), so it's just a matter of where on the curve you want to be - for me, the SMA8 is the sweet spot for a high-end workstation. Your mileage may vary wink.gif


Even if the airflow thru a pair of rads in the relatively closed chambers is able to roll back from the center plenum and out the side panels, it's still going to mix with the air being pulled in creating a recirculating effect with some of the airflow thru the rad being already warmed air . . .

Better perhaps than stalled, but not as good as a wider space between the rads with a vented bottom panel and end(s).


When it comes to allocating rad space for multiple loops . . .

If you have 3 GPUs, each one of which dissipates more watts than the CPU/Mobo group, then you need to plan on nominally 75% of the rad space going to the GPU loop.


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Even if the airflow thru a pair of rads in the relatively closed chambers is able to roll back from the center plenum and out the side panels, it's still going to mix with the air being pulled in creating a recirculating effect with some of the airflow thru the rad being already warmed air . . .

Better perhaps than stalled, but not as good as a wider space between the rads with a vented bottom panel and end(s).


When it comes to allocating rad space for multiple loops . . .

If you have 3 GPUs, each one of which dissipates more watts than the CPU/Mobo group, then you need to plan on nominally 75% of the rad space going to the GPU loop.


Darlene

To an extent - yes. That's a problem with all close quartered side mount systems (TJ07, Little Devil, 900D, etc. ) It's also the reason we have the ventilated bottom panel - to minimize that effect. In the end though, you have to ask if there is a measurable difference in cooling efficiency. In most cases, I think you'll find there isn't - at least with the SMA8/STH10. You are correct though, that if performance is the ultimate goal, the TH10 offers a potentially better solution (and why we still have it wink.gif ).

EDIT: Adding to this, both Silverstone and LD were really designed for a single radiator, to be fair, so they can't be blamed for issues around having two radiators in such a confined space. The designers at Corsair were obviously thrown into the deep end of the pool and the 900D is a perfect example of a case designed by marketing/focus groups, so it's not surprising that so many design issues have surfaced since its launch. Part of the reason why our cases have the stance they do is to better allow for the possibility of dual rads.
Edited by Jim-CL - 1/30/15 at 4:00pm
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Even if the airflow thru a pair of rads in the relatively closed chambers is able to roll back from the center plenum and out the side panels, it's still going to mix with the air being pulled in creating a recirculating effect with some of the airflow thru the rad being already warmed air . . .

Better perhaps than stalled, but not as good as a wider space between the rads with a vented bottom panel and end(s).


When it comes to allocating rad space for multiple loops . . .

If you have 3 GPUs, each one of which dissipates more watts than the CPU/Mobo group, then you need to plan on nominally 75% of the rad space going to the GPU loop.


Darlene

To an extent - yes. That's a problem with all close quartered side mount systems (TJ07, Little Devil, 900D, etc. ) It's also the reason we have the ventilated bottom panel - to minimize that effect. In the end though, you have to ask if there is a measurable difference in cooling efficiency. In most cases, I think you'll find there isn't - at least with the SMA8/STH10. You are correct though, that if performance is the ultimate goal, the TH10 offers a potentially better solution (and why we still have it wink.gif ).

And why that's the one I bought for the Double D build and generally recommend for baller builds. thumb.gifthumb.gif


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And why that's the one I bought for the Double D build and generally recommend for baller builds. thumb.gifthumb.gif


Darlene

And I'm enjoying its progress immensely biggrin.gifcheers.gif

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Since there's so much talk about the TH10A.... With a rad in the top and the bottom (say... a 54mm thick Nemesis GTX) is it possible to fit another 480mm radiator in the front flexbays with everything in push/pull? And wait, I could fit in two MORE 480mm radiators? o_O My my.
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Intel i7-4770K Gigabyte Z87X-OC MSI GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G Golden Edition G.Skill Triden-X 16GB DDR3-2400 
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Seagate 2TB SATA3 Maxtor 2TB Black LG DVD-RW Cryorig R1 ultimate 
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Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit BenQ VP2210 BenQ VP2210 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 
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EVGA SuperNova 1000G2 NZXT Phantom 820 Black Roccat Nyth Steel Series Worgen 
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JDS Labs O2 + ODAC Rev.B AKG K712 Audio Technica ATH-M50X 
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i7 3770k Maximus V Formula EVGA GTX 780 Classified Corsair Dominator Platinum 1866MHz 
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Logitech G15 v2 EVGA 1000w G2 Open Bench Table Corsair M95 
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Intel i7-4770K Gigabyte Z87X-OC MSI GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G Golden Edition G.Skill Triden-X 16GB DDR3-2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 2TB SATA3 Maxtor 2TB Black LG DVD-RW Cryorig R1 ultimate 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit BenQ VP2210 BenQ VP2210 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 
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EVGA SuperNova 1000G2 NZXT Phantom 820 Black Roccat Nyth Steel Series Worgen 
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JDS Labs O2 + ODAC Rev.B AKG K712 Audio Technica ATH-M50X 
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i7 3770k Maximus V Formula EVGA GTX 780 Classified Corsair Dominator Platinum 1866MHz 
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Kingston 64GB SSDnow 200 CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Pro 240 Windows 7 64 Bit Dell E2213H 
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I didn't have problem with my LD V8 with a pair of RX480s in the bay. They did run at low speeds tho and could of done with another inch of clearance.
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5820k X99m WS 980ti strix 980ti strix 
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KLEVV Cras DDR4  3tb Red Corsair 600w SFX + 450w SFX Caselabs BH4 
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4970k Z97 Gryphon GTX 680 x2 Crucial Ballistix Elite 16Gb 
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Be Quiet Dark Power 850 InWin D Frame Mini 
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i7 4770k ASUS Impact ITX R9 290 Gskill Trident 2400 
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Samsung EV0 250 x2 WD black Loop.....oh yes...... Caselabs S3....modded 
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5820k X99m WS 980ti strix 980ti strix 
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KLEVV Cras DDR4  3tb Red Corsair 600w SFX + 450w SFX Caselabs BH4 
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4970k Z97 Gryphon GTX 680 x2 Crucial Ballistix Elite 16Gb 
PowerCase
Be Quiet Dark Power 850 InWin D Frame Mini 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770k ASUS Impact ITX R9 290 Gskill Trident 2400 
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