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post #13011 of 22193
All you guys on the thermaltake side, you do realize that the case they are creating while looking like a caselabs will still be a much crappier case in every single way? Here in the real world you get what you pay for, and you are an idiot if you think when you pay >200$ less your going to get even remotely the same quality case, just go buy a corsair case and stop trying to be a poser.

This is like those kids that buy 5 stripe "Adidas" and think they are cool because they paid less, nope you are just a tool
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Are they still busy? I placed an order for some accessories, wondering if they'll be out at the quoted time (2-3 business days). I placed an order for a psu bracket a couple of months ago and it took over a week to process it. Sent them a message, and I got a reply from their cs it would be shipping out asap. Saw a post on them being busy, ? I'm still missing bits for some other stuff so I'm in no extreme rush but I would like to at least get them shipped no more then a week. Its hard to mock up your build with missing brackets/mounts frown.gif.


My STH10 I bought last year did take a bit longer then quoted but after contacting cl.net, they were able to ship it the following day. I would recommend to hit them up if the quoted time has lapsed already.

I ordered some flex-bay items a couple weeks ago and got them in just a matter of days.
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Anywho, what do you guys use to drill the holes for pass through fittings (such as the midplate of the SMA8)?

Also, with the bottom cut-out of the SMA8, What's the point of that? Should I just order the solid?


drill step works great w/ the aluminum. The thickness is just right for a ~1/4 per step. I bought a cheap set at harborfreight for ~$10. I would recommend a punch (inexpensive tool) to get your pilot hole started. Then use a step bit. Mark the stopping point you want w/ some tape or use a marker (washable). I may do some holes for my case but I've worn down my drill steps going at a 2"-hitch bike rack refurb.
post #13014 of 22193
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

Why is everyone so angry ?

True TT should have givin credits to Caselabs but it isnt like stuff like this never happens.
Things get stolen and reversed enginered all the time and people never really complain.

Its freakishly expensive to get a Caselabs case here in EU.
If i can get a similar like case for a few hundred euro cheaper then why is it a bad thing ?

Bad for Caselabs maybe but for me ? No.

Maybe this will drive Caselabs to a better and cheaper global distubution.

For us custumors a win/win situation.

You may all disagree but this is my point of view sorry.....

Please, this is not a personal preference against budget issue.

I definitely understand your point of view but that doesn't change the fact violating copyright/patent laws is an illegal act in Taiwan where TT is based, and US where Caselab is based, and EU where you are located.

Speaking of Caselab, they have the legal title of its design. They want to sell it at skyhigh price, they absolutely can, they don't want to make a cut down version? It's their choice, not to mention Caselab didn't sell their case at a ridiculous price... think of the custom work they do and material they use. It is by all means not cheap or budget friendly, I can at least give you that since shipping is expensive.

Have you ever thought of why there isn't any company making a Lamborghini appearance car with much lower price? It is freaking expensive on shipping/middleman dealer/tax etc. It's just on a larger scale.

Design and ideas matters, they worth a lot because they are intelligent property. You can't steal someone's property and say because by doing this more people will be benefited.

It is so not a Win-win situation, it will just turn the market to a copying war, where to draw the line is vague but do you really think when all these companies stop hiring designers, consumers will be happy?
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Please, this is not a personal preference against budget issue.

I definitely understand your point of view but that doesn't change the fact violating copyright/patent laws is an illegal act in Taiwan where TT is based, and US where Caselab is based, and EU where you are located.

Speaking of Caselab, they have the legal title of its design. They want to sell it at skyhigh price, they absolutely can, they don't want to make a cut down version? It's their choice, not to mention Caselab didn't sell their case at a ridiculous price... think of the custom work they do and material they use. It is by all means not cheap or budget friendly, I can at least give you that since shipping is expensive.

Have you ever thought of why there isn't any company making a Lamborghini appearance car with much lower price? It is freaking expensive on shipping/middleman dealer/tax etc. It's just on a larger scale.

Design and ideas matters, they worth a lot because they are intelligent property. You can't steal someone's property and say because by doing this more people will be benefited.

It is so not a Win-win situation, it will just turn the market to a copying war, where to draw the line is vague but do you really think when all these companies stop hiring designers, consumers will be happy?

Exactly this. +rep.

A funny story went on this week. I live in Brazil and we used to have 5 or 6 very good locksmith companies here. Forgot my house keys and my wife too. Ergo we were lock out of our home since the last person which left the home was our babysitter which would only be back next day...My 3 years old daughter was getting home from school. Called a locksmith to open the door and replace the center piece. We were talking while he was doing his job because I choose a brand (the same which was in my door) which is 3x more expensive that any other brand. Then I said, should I get then company A, B and C (those that I knew from past were good too). He said, well you can if you want and will save you about US$ 30 but it will break within 1 year because none of those companies do quality locks anymore. The only one left in Brazil is the one you already asked me to put in here... At some point in the past cheap stuff came from China and all those other companies decided to go that route too (in their minds) in order to compete at a cheaper price.

So, if all would go the copy route what would be left for us consumers in the end? You bet I will support caselabs, aquacomputer, Ek and other small companies that do quality stuff. Simply beacuse I value quality things and ordering cheap garbage will cost more in the end (both in money, patience and satisfaction) since I will have to replace the junk after a while with other junk....
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

Why is everyone so angry ?

True TT should have givin credits to Caselabs but it isnt like stuff like this never happens.
Things get stolen and reversed enginered all the time and people never really complain.

Its freakishly expensive to get a Caselabs case here in EU.
If i can get a similar like case for a few hundred euro cheaper then why is it a bad thing ?

Bad for Caselabs maybe but for me ? No.

Maybe this will drive Caselabs to a better and cheaper global distubution.

For us custumors a win/win situation.

You may all disagree but this is my point of view sorry.....

And when the only companies left are those that copy, what will your options be then?

Yes there is inspiration - ideas that get taken and modified and twisted and turned. It's just the sheer audacity, scale of it and lazyness that bugs me. This isn't inspiration - they are so lazy that when they copy they don't not even change basic things - even the look of the case. It' like you photocopied your buddies homework and just crossed his name out and put yours underneath and thought you could get away with it. Here's the thing - they could have asked about licensing the design. They could have payed a royalty in order to do this legally. They don't need to be this kind of shade in order to survive and make money. Now their shadyness is fully revealed and I hope the world sees what they truly are and acts accordingly.

Yes there will always be some unheard of company usually in China making knockoffs - just look at the fashion industry. But this is a major international company fronting as more than that, and it makes major money off the work of others.

BTW my write up on this was up last night, but you know OCN rules can't link it yadda yadda

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Originally Posted by Panther Al View Post

Soyou are saying its Case Labs fault that EU taxes and import duties are high?


Seriously?

I didnt say that, i said that i dont like to pay those extra's and if i could get something similar alot cheaper why shouldnt i be happy with that.

I am not attacking CL, just saying stuff like this happens all the time.

Edit:
Also dont forget TT is going to use steel i think, not Alu.
So with CL custumors still get something extra, something more "special" (there money's worth)

your missing it, it isnt about al or steel, it isnt about taking stuff ( ill call them general items, ) IE modular design or small things, IE implementing a headphone stand,

all of that is fine, but taking a CL redoing it in steel and putting a TT logo on it, that is what we are fighting over. it is pathetic
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So does it really take 5-6 weeks to get a case? I want to pull the trigger but my patience is so bad.


it can be, but worth it !~



edit

i didnt know about the ek look alike, i know that gpu blocks can only look so different -i am ok with that, but so far in watercooling we have a small handful of companies that at least try to be different, look different, ect even alphacool although i think this gen they went way way way in the wrong direction, as least they make their own stuff,

but that sli bridge....... sad,

after the oc3d article ( which they incorrectly call a th10 when it is a mix between a tx and th imo ) i have to say i am sad and normally i would love another watercooling company, the more competition the better, but i want competition not carbon copies.
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Some members in these forums paid international shipping and import tax. CaseLabs has worked out a discount with Fed-X for international shipping. Has CaseLabs gone to bat for international consumers, yes they have and thank you Caselabs for the savings. Frankly I am fed up with reading about shipping cost and import tax. Reminds me of a dog setting on a nail on the front porch howling because it hurts and sets there and howls. Does not matter if your pockets are deep or not. Set a goal, a date to purchase, eat beans, get a second, third or fourth job, read the build logs daily, stay focused on the dream and stay positive, save the pennies called delayed gratification and it is a great feeling when the goal is accomplished.

Ask your self if you would purchase a product from a thief? That is exactly what TT did they stole the product. Try to justify it any way you want but it is stolen property period or any other product or company that makes copies. It is stolen property. You can take a pig and dress a pig up any way you want it is still a pig.
Edited by Goggle Eye - 6/3/15 at 3:46pm
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Some members in these forums paid international shipping and import tax. CaseLabs has worked out a discount with Fed-X for international shipping. Has CaseLabs gone to bat for international consumers, yes they have and thank you Caselabs for the savings. Frankly I am fed up with reading about shipping cost and import tax. Reminds me of a dog setting on a nail on the front porch howling because it hurts and sets there and howls. Does not matter if your pockets are deep or not. Set a goal, a date to purchase, eat beans, get a second, third or fourth job, read the build logs daily, stay focused on the dream and stay positive, save the pennies called delayed gratification and it is a great feeling when the goal is accomplished.

Ask your self if you would purchase a product from a thief? That is exactly what TT did they stole the product. Try to justify it any way you want but it is stolen property period or any other product or company that makes copies. It is stolen property. You can take a pig and dress a pig up any way you want it is still a pig.


Well, you're mostly right . . . .

But if you put lipstick on it, it can also be your girlfriend . . .

D.
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derete please
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Why is everyone so angry ?

True TT should have givin credits to Caselabs but it isnt like stuff like this never happens.
Things get stolen and reversed enginered all the time and people never really complain.

Its freakishly expensive to get a Caselabs case here in EU.
If i can get a similar like case for a few hundred euro cheaper then why is it a bad thing ?

Bad for Caselabs maybe but for me ? No.

Maybe this will drive Caselabs to a better and cheaper global distubution.

For us custumors a win/win situation.

You may all disagree but this is my point of view sorry.....

You point of view of what is good for me instead of wanting a company to do right and make a product is the reason Europe is so unfriendly to business and most goverments subsidize industry so it can compete!!
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Hmm I want a case labs but shipping makes the price really expensive, so for tt to do this is a bonus for the consumer around the world.

Plus it looks like a 900D

It is not good for consumers as it causes some things to be more more expensives and this case may look goid but they will overcharge for a item of lesser quailty!!!

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But if nobody copied/reverse engineered wouldnt you then create monopoly positions ?

Maybe this will make Caselabs strive to be even more distenquised and come out with new and better stuff.
Maybe drive them in better offshore distribution to wich is a plus for me wink.gif

Btw,
I am not so much about strict rules, you can link me anything....
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