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post #16791 of 22194
The S3 was kind of a niche case, . . most mini itx builds really were compact SFF builds.

By the time you moved up to a case the size of the S3, you might as well of built a matx S5.

Now if they'd just make an S8 Stretch, . . . . about the same length as the TH10A, so it could have 480's or 560's. . . .

You could have a triple or quad GPU setup and be able to cool it, without having to start adding on peds to get enough rad space.


Darlene
post #16792 of 22194
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The S3 was kind of a niche case, . . most mini itx builds really were compact SFF builds.

By the time you moved up to a case the size of the S3, you might as well of built a matx S5.


Darlene

Gotta agree, have looked at the s3 so many times and thought well I might ass well go s5 anyway because matx gives me some nice capabilities
post #16793 of 22194
I was looking at the S3 for a NAS and the X2M superseded it in my consideration very quickly.
post #16794 of 22194
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Sometimes the old has to be let go in order to make way for the new. The Mercury range saw a good run, but times change, hardware changes, people's wants change. So when sales decline to as point where keeping an item available is no longer warranted, it just makes sense from a business perspective to no longer carry it.

The difference between us and all those other case makers is, we will actually still support current owners for quite a long time, in case they want to mod a panel, of doing something badly, we can still get them the past they need.
Wow, this is a surprise.
First, I think of the tx10 almost as iconic. I mean, it's the biggest case on the market, one of the few that has the ability to house the dual systems one could put in it, and I think the only that has the (1?)U server capabilities. Granted, I could sell my kidney, arm, and both legs and still have to do extra chores to pay for it, but that ones a big suprise.

But why the s8s? People seem to like it, especially that it's a mix of the s5 and s8. Plus, didn't it just come out a few months ago? Same with the s3, it seems immensely popular. I can understand the s8 test bench, and I didn't even know the M8a existed.

Jim, or anyone for that matter, why discontinue those specific cases? They seem very popular, and if not, one of the coolest, amazing, incredible cases on the market.

Again, we have to discontinue things that just don't sell like they used to. When you have two or three models that outsell the rest of your catalog multiple times over, it's time to pull the stragglers.

Additionally, we want to remove these to make room for future iterations. We, as a small, family run business who seek to be transparent with our customers, because our customers are everything to us, have to be transparent. We can't just discontinue something over night and launch something else right away. It takes time to transition.

We also don't want our catalog to be enormous, it just makes things difficult for us and then that's when lead times increase beyond a reasonable timeframe. And that's the last thing we want to have to go through again.
post #16795 of 22194
I think that everyone understands you but people are just nostalgic so I wound't see it as something negative but more as a positive, people love your cases so much that they hate to see some of them go even if it is necessary. thumb.gif
post #16796 of 22194
So I feel kinda dumb asking this as I probably should allready know. But I want to get rid of the primochill revolver fittings and go with the push in fittings. That way it looks cleaner and I can do less or no bends build. What our ge easiest and best fittings to work with and for what tubing. I'm debating on going for the larger size tubing so if possible , it would help me to have what tubing and fittings work with the large tubing and which ones for the normal size hardline tubing. (Now I know to match the siE of fitting to the tube but I'm more looking for what brand works best with what tubing if that makes sense. Thanks) here is the current set up as seen before.
    
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So I feel kinda dumb asking this as I probably should allready know. But I want to get rid of the primochill revolver fittings and go with the push in fittings. That way it looks cleaner and I can do less or no bends build. What our ge easiest and best fittings to work with and for what tubing. I'm debating on going for the larger size tubing so if possible , it would help me to have what tubing and fittings work with the large tubing and which ones for the normal size hardline tubing. (Now I know to match the siE of fitting to the tube but I'm more looking for what brand works best with what tubing if that makes sense. Thanks) here is the current set up as seen before.

I would still stick with 12mm Tubing. 16mm Just looks to big IMO.

TCO
     
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Got ya. What tubing to go with what fittings would you suggest? I'm really thinking of going with a fittings build soon. Might need a new motherboard as without ram or motherboard being water cooled it may look alittle off using all straight lines and fittings.
    
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post #16799 of 22194
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I think that everyone understands you but people are just nostalgic so I wound't see it as something negative but more as a positive, people love your cases so much that they hate to see some of them go even if it is necessary. thumb.gif

Oh, no, totally. I agree. I mean, seeing the M8 go, for me, was a bit of an emotional experience. I bought one when they went on sale, way before I ever worked for CL. I loved that case. When I had lost my previous job, I had to sell it, then it was sold again, and Mega Man now has it. It's the only M8 outside of the Lab with drop in rad mounts.

I just want to make sure that I'm being as communicative as possible, and letting people know why we're doing what we're doing so it doesn't seem like we're doing it "just because." Everything we do at the Lab has very specific reasons and is always in the best interest of the company to move forward, to better our service and products. There's far too many companies in this industry that just want to make a quick buck. And boy, do they. But, with no board, no shareholders, we as a small company get the benefit of being close to our customers. I love being able to talk to you guys (and gals) like another user, because in the end, I mod, I game, I watercool, and I'm passionate about PCs and enthusiast gear. I'm not some guy who puts himself on a pedestal, I'm just another guy who loves awesome hardware, and I love awesome builds even more.

I saw a guy at Microcenter one time, he had brought his PC in with a new EK Kit (in a case not really designed for water cooling) and was really worried about how to properly tell how fluid was flowing, since the reservoir was so tiny. I, being just another customer there, stepped in when the salesmen didn't know what the hell to tell the guy. I never mentioned who I was, where I worked, etc. Just gave him tips. He was genuinely appreciative and it made me feel good to help another guy out. After all, I had been there a long time ago, nervous about watercooling. Now I'm more nervous mounting a clunky air heatsink on a cpu than I am about water, lol.
post #16800 of 22194
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Got ya. What tubing to go with what fittings would you suggest? I'm really thinking of going with a fittings build soon. Might need a new motherboard as without ram or motherboard being water cooled it may look alittle off using all straight lines and fittings.

I've always used 12mm Bitspower Acrylic Crystal Clear Tubing. Fittings = Bitspower. Never had one leak. Never Needed another brand.

TCO
     
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EK Rampage V Mosfet WaterBlock Original CSQ NB Eloops B12 - 2 1300rpm  Phobia 8way 4pin Fan Controller x 2 Ek Single Link CSQ Bridge x 2 
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Bitspower Z Tank (Clear) 250mm x 2 980 WaterBlocks x 2 Ek DDC Pump Top (Acrylic) x 2 Primochill 3/8" x 1/2" OD Clear Tubing 
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