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Blah if they weren't 21$ a pop I'd have grabbed them instead, I doubt the performance is worth the 9$ difference between the AP-15's and the NB's though lol.

No not the performance but the looks, quality, feel and accessories might make you feel different.

the AP-15's are great fans and you will not regret getting them..
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No not the performance but the looks, quality, feel and accessories might make you feel different.

the AP-15's are great fans and you will not regret getting them..

well this bites.. looks like aaawave doesn't have a good system together, even though it was updating what the quantity was as you purchased, they still ran out after stating they had them in stock.

"Hello, Unfortunately we are out of stock on the Gentle 15 Fans.

We do however have the 14’s available and are will to upgrade your shipping to expedited shipping.

Or we can cancelled your order all together.

Please advise as to what you would like to do




Thank you,
Anthony Guerrero
"

Back to 0 Fans...lol
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/poke google delta 120mm

Ummm, you did see the 'quieter than an undervolted Noctua part right? I'll gladly agree that deltas are a fantastic price/performance option - but they are not silent fans. wink.gif

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well this bites.. looks like aaawave doesn't have a good system together, even though it was updating what the quantity was as you purchased, they still ran out after stating they had them in stock.

"Hello, Unfortunately we are out of stock on the Gentle 15 Fans.
We do however have the 14’s available and are will to upgrade your shipping to expedited shipping.
Or we can cancelled your order all together.
Please advise as to what you would like to do

Thank you,
Anthony Guerrero
"

Back to 0 Fans...lol

That sucks - although AP14's are more than adequate for almost any build... and since it's unlikely that you'll actually need that extra speed and will likely undervolt with a controller... I'd take that deal - although I might also try to make them feel a little bad and ask for a 10% discount. They can only say "No" so it never hurts to try. biggrin.gif
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Ummm, you did see the 'quieter than an undervolted Noctua part right? I'll gladly agree that deltas are a fantastic price/performance option - but they are not silent fans. wink.gif
That sucks - although AP14's are more than adequate for almost any build... and since it's unlikely that you'll actually need that extra speed and will likely undervolt with a controller... I'd take that deal - although I might also try to make them feel a little bad and ask for a 10% discount. They can only say "No" so it never hurts to try. biggrin.gif

Ah didn't see your response in time I had them refund since I'm showing the fans only hit 1450 RPM and I've no clue if I'd ever need to go above or not. It's better to have options though IMO. I'm currently looking @ either flipping about 475$ for 32 fans or taking suggestions for alternatives, looking @ Noise blockers currently as they have a high rep as well as Thermalrite's or w/e they're called. Just wanna deck this case out already.
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Ah didn't see your response in time I had them refund since I'm showing the fans only hit 1450 RPM and I've no clue if I'd ever need to go above or not. It's better to have options though IMO. I'm currently looking @ either flipping about 475$ for 32 fans or taking suggestions for alternatives, looking @ Noise blockers currently as they have a high rep as well as Thermalrite's or w/e they're called. Just wanna deck this case out already.

I purposely chose 14s instead of 15s for my build for my radiator fans. 1450 rpm is quite a bit still and they are a good deal quieter than 15s. I also have some E-loops for one rad and for case fans and if I had seen them earlier, I probably would've done all E-loops in my build. They look a lot better than GTs and the build quality and accessories are excellent. I love how they have a plug right on the end that lets you put any cable you want on it without having to cut the original cord and re-sleeve.
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I purposely chose 14s instead of 15s for my build for my radiator fans. 1450 rpm is quite a bit still and they are a good deal quieter than 15s. I also have some E-loops for one rad and for case fans and if I had seen them earlier, I probably would've done all E-loops in my build. They look a lot better than GTs and the build quality and accessories are excellent. I love how they have a plug right on the end that lets you put any cable you want on it without having to cut the original cord and re-sleeve.

So would AP-14's do fine w/ Monsta's ? I'm gonna be putting in 4x 480's for the meantime unsure if I"ll add more.
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They would be fine... I actually run AP-13's in my M8 - and I use the controller to get them down to 700RPM (told you I liked silent). I pretty much look at it as "if I need more cooling... I need more rads, not faster fans" - although I did buy AP-14's for my current build (but only because the 13's are no longer available anywhere other than ebay for a huge markup).

I only have UT60's but the Monstas aren't that much thicker (OK actually they're about 55% thicker). If you want to get 100% efficiency out of the Monstas then yes, you will need faster fans - they seem to scale fairly linearly all the way up over 2500RPM actually since they're so thick! However, at the point in time that you have 4X 480mm Monstas with 16X 2500+ RPM fans on them (or 32 if push-pull) you will be sitting next to a jet engine... and the difference will probably amount to less than 4-5C to your air/water delta over what you could achieve at ~1200RPM with them.

A quick calculation (based on Martin's review of the UT60 and 'guesstimating' the extra capacity for a 92mm thick rad with an extra 120mm length) says those should be good for somewhere in the range of 430-460W dissipated @ 2500RPM fan speed and 1.5GPM flow rate. With 4 of them that puts you far beyond the capacity of a single 15A breaker... so unless you're running dual breakers to dual 1600W PSU's because you have a quad-XEON setup with 4 GTX Titans and a crapload of RAM, etc... I think you will be more than fine with just about any fan over 1200RPM. biggrin.gif After all (discounting efficiency or lack thereof of components)... you can't create more heat than you have electricity to use!
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They would be fine... I actually run AP-13's in my M8 - and I use the controller to get them down to 700RPM (told you I liked silent). I pretty much look at it as "if I need more cooling... I need more rads, not faster fans" - although I did buy AP-14's for my current build (but only because the 13's are no longer available anywhere other than ebay for a huge markup).

I only have UT60's but the Monstas aren't that much thicker (OK actually they're about 55% thicker). If you want to get 100% efficiency out of the Monstas then yes, you will need faster fans - they seem to scale fairly linearly all the way up over 2500RPM actually since they're so thick! However, at the point in time that you have 4X 480mm Monstas with 16X 2500+ RPM fans on them (or 32 if push-pull) you will be sitting next to a jet engine... and the difference will probably amount to less than 4-5C to your air/water delta over what you could achieve at ~1200RPM with them.

A quick calculation (based on Martin's review of the UT60 and 'guesstimating' the extra capacity for a 92mm thick rad with an extra 120mm length) says those should be good for somewhere in the range of 430-460W dissipated @ 2500RPM fan speed and 1.5GPM flow rate. With 4 of them that puts you far beyond the capacity of a single 15A breaker... so unless you're running dual breakers to dual 1600W PSU's because you have a quad-XEON setup with 4 GTX Titans and a crapload of RAM, etc... I think you will be more than fine with just about any fan over 1200RPM. biggrin.gif After all (discounting efficiency or lack thereof of components)... you can't create more heat than you have electricity to use!

So shpuld I jusst go with ut60s then? Im looking for quiet as well though I hear th 15s are already quiet if anything tone them to 1500 to avoid noise IF any. Im brand new to this so appreciate any suggestions. I dont ha e the rads yet either. Still getting feedback
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So shpuld I jusst go with ut60s then? Im looking for quiet as well though I hear th 15s are already quiet if anything tone them to 1500 to avoid noise IF any. Im brand new to this so appreciate any suggestions. I dont ha e the rads yet either. Still getting feedback

Totally depends on what you're cooling really. Although, I'm pretty sure 4X 480mm XT45's would cool it just fine as well - let alone the UT60s! biggrin.gif Just to give you an idea - I've got MB block on a Maximus V Extreme (hardly any heat from this of course as it's Z77) running a 3770K @ 5.0GHz with 1.45V vcore with two 7970's lightly OC'd and upped voltage wise by 15%.

I figure I have between 500-600W total under maximum load to dissipate - and with two 360mm UT60's and one 360mm XT45 - push only AP13's on each - I have a delta of around 9C (i.e. mining on both GPUs while running a CPU benchmark in a 24C room results in water temperatures around 33C). Granted - that's with the fans on maximum (1150RPM). Under normal use, like playing FC3 or something, I don't ever see anything over about 6C.

If you're planning on running 24/7 folding on a pretty high OC and/or crypto mining on dual/triple 290X's - then you will still be fine, but you probably want to spring for the Monstas and fans that can go up to ~2500RPM at 12V. If you're just going to be gaming, benching, etc... 'casually' - then you'll have more than enough cooling power for almost any hardware configuration imaginable with UT60s. If you want Monstas for the e-peen on the other hand... I fully understand that decision - they look awesome in a build! But in reality, unless you're running ludicrously high fan speeds or running medium-fast fans push-pull on every rad - you won't be getting all of the use out of that extra area.
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Totally depends on what you're cooling really. Although, I'm pretty sure 4X 480mm XT45's would cool it just fine as well - let alone the UT60s! biggrin.gif Just to give you an idea - I've got MB block on a Maximus V Extreme (hardly any heat from this of course as it's Z77) running a 3770K @ 5.0GHz with 1.45V vcore with two 7970's lightly OC'd and upped voltage wise by 15%.

I figure I have between 500-600W total under maximum load to dissipate - and with two 360mm UT60's and one 360mm XT45 - push only AP13's on each - I have a delta of around 9C (i.e. mining on both GPUs while running a CPU benchmark in a 24C room results in water temperatures around 33C). Granted - that's with the fans on maximum (1150RPM). Under normal use, like playing FC3 or something, I don't ever see anything over about 6C.

If you're planning on running 24/7 folding on a pretty high OC and/or crypto mining on dual/triple 290X's - then you will still be fine, but you probably want to spring for the Monstas and fans that can go up to ~2500RPM at 12V. If you're just going to be gaming, benching, etc... 'casually' - then you'll have more than enough cooling power for almost any hardware configuration imaginable with UT60s. If you want Monstas for the e-peen on the other hand... I fully understand that decision - they look awesome in a build! But in reality, unless you're running ludicrously high fan speeds or running medium-fast fans push-pull on every rad - you won't be getting all of the use out of that extra area.

Alright so since I wanna go quiet then it'd be best to go w/ the UT60's as they'll support 1000-1500 range at best? Since those would be silent on just about any type of fan correct? Noted and changed up my cart currently.

What I'll be running is 2-3 Titans between 1.2-1.3 volts and about 1250-1300mhz
CPU = 4960x hoping to get it to 4.5 for 24/7 if not 4.8 depending on how well it does, as I've seen a few that hit 5 w/ @ 1.29
Sadly it won't be on 24/7 like the old days as families big on power especially being in AZ though we're on Solar now. Hopefully that's not bad for WC as it'll be off for about 10-16 hours a day at most.

I do want as silent as possible though but w/ the best performance as well, as I want to keep temps low so that my room doesn't get AS hot as it does w/ Aircooling (not an issue in the winter)

I just found out that the order I put in for the AP-15's wasn't out of stock, they just wanted to resell them at a higher price. As I saw out of stock while waiting but after he refunded me the same 23 went back in and they magically had new stock of the exact number that I was attempting to purchase. so I got back 360$ so that they could attempt to make 31$ more in profit from the same batch. -sighs-
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