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That's terrible... I hate it when vendors pull crap like that!

Even on the UT60's they will scale all the way up to 2500RPM... based on Martin's testing (and although methodologies are all flawed in one way or another - he does about the best you can do without an unlimited budget). At 1000-1500RPM you will have great dissipation capability... but you can still get more via push pull or with faster fans down the road if you need more.

Really, this discussion has gotten pretty far off-topic for this thread and I don't want to further derail it... you should start a build log and we can continue there - or move this discussion to the WC thread as it's much more topically appropriate for those.

The one last thing I'll say in reference to a misconception you might have based on your last post: although the components will be much cooler with WC vs. air cooling... your room will not. No matter what, you are dumping all of the heat into the air - you're just going to be doing that more efficiently. If you're looking at water cooling as a way of keeping the room cooler while running your PC - you will be disappointed - especially if you're running SLI/Tri-SLI Titans and an OC'd 4960x! biggrin.gif

Based on that hardware selection alone... I'd say go with the Monstas over the UT60s... after all - you're talking about a $10K rig here... what's a few more dollars just for the biggest you can get? Sure you won't be getting 100% utilization out of them (or even the UT60s) but your build is overkill everywhere else... make it universal. The Monstas are definitely not going to be worse - and they'll look huge. Either that or go push-pull on all UT60's - it will be thinner than push only on Monstas - but it will have similar wow-factor and will improve the performance at slower speeds (but it won't be double - closer to 20% more most likely).

One thing you might want to do however, is carefully examine some other CL builds with them in your case - as they will start making some things tight due to their size - most notably tube and wiring runs to the outside grommeted passthroughs. Nothing that will be a show-stopper by any means, but there will probably be some tight areas with that much rad. biggrin.gif
Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 12/12/13 at 7:52pm
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/poke google delta 120mm

Ummm, you did see the 'quieter than an undervolted Noctua part right? I'll gladly agree that deltas are a fantastic price/performance option - but they are not silent fans. wink.gif
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Yeah, I know there's an R&D cost to engineering fans - but c'mon - they aren't nuclear power plants, and how different from the manufacturing side of things (tooling, etc.) is it really? I do realize that supply and demand control the prices and smaller manufacturers have higher cost-per-item expenses... but soon it will be common to have spent on fans what I used to consider a fair price for a whole computer.

I thought $15-20 for GT's was exorbitant, then I bought a couple NB Multiframe fans and suddenly the GT's seemed like a discount-priced component. Soon they'll be wanting $50 for a 120mm fan... mad.gif Although if it had twice the static pressure of a GT AP15 but was quieter than a Noctua at 5V... and came in candy metallic colors... I'd probably consider them a steal at that price. biggrin.gif
/poke google delta 120mm
was talking about that !
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well this bites.. looks like aaawave doesn't have a good system together, even though it was updating what the quantity was as you purchased, they still ran out after stating they had them in stock.

"Hello, Unfortunately we are out of stock on the Gentle 15 Fans.
We do however have the 14’s available and are will to upgrade your shipping to expedited shipping.
Or we can cancelled your order all together.
Please advise as to what you would like to do

Thank you,
Anthony Guerrero
"

Back to 0 Fans...lol

That sucks - although AP14's are more than adequate for almost any build... and since it's unlikely that you'll actually need that extra speed and will likely undervolt with a controller... I'd take that deal - although I might also try to make them feel a little bad and ask for a 10% discount. They can only say "No" so it never hurts to try. biggrin.gif
http://www.swiftech.com/fan120x25mmrdm1225s.aspx

might look at these, nice cheap and great, at full speeds they are noisy, but that is what a fan controller is for right? ( 2krpm )
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post #3603 of 22189
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Originally Posted by DiGiCiDAL View Post

That's terrible... I hate it when vendors pull crap like that! Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Even on the UT60's they will scale all the way up to 2500RPM... based on Martin's testing (and although methodologies are all flawed in one way or another - he does about the best you can do without an unlimited budget). At 1000-1500RPM you will have great dissipation capability... but you can still get more via push pull or with faster fans down the road if you need more.

Really, this discussion has gotten pretty far off-topic for this thread and I don't want to further derail it... you should start a build log and we can continue there - or move this discussion to the WC thread as it's much more topically appropriate for those.

The one last thing I'll say in reference to a misconception you might have based on your last post: although the components will be much cooler with WC vs. air cooling... your room will not. No matter what, you are dumping all of the heat into the air - you're just going to be doing that more efficiently. If you're looking at water cooling as a way of keeping the room cooler while running your PC - you will be disappointed - especially if you're running SLI/Tri-SLI Titans and an OC'd 4960x! biggrin.gif

Based on that hardware selection alone... I'd say go with the Monstas over the UT60s... after all - you're talking about a $10K rig here... what's a few more dollars just for the biggest you can get? Sure you won't be getting 100% utilization out of them (or even the UT60s) but your build is overkill everywhere else... make it universal. The Monstas are definitely not going to be worse - and they'll look huge. Either that or go push-pull on all UT60's - it will be thinner than push only on Monstas - but it will have similar wow-factor and will improve the performance at slower speeds (but it won't be double - closer to 20% more most likely).

One thing you might want to do however, is carefully examine some other CL builds with them in your case - as they will start making some things tight due to their size - most notably tube and wiring runs to the outside grommeted passthroughs. Nothing that will be a show-stopper by any means, but there will probably be some tight areas with that much rad. biggrin.gif

Quoted you over in the WC thread lol, hope to hear back.
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http://www.swiftech.com/fan120x25mmrdm1225s.aspx

might look at these, nice cheap and great, at full speeds they are noisy, but that is what a fan controller is for right? ( 2krpm )

Ah lol appreciate it though hoping for something aesthetic as well if I can't get GT's frown.gif
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post #3604 of 22189
Yah, swiftech fans are the cheap GT replacement, specs and looks.
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post #3605 of 22189
Question guys and gals,

I'm gonna start a build in my new STH10, what do you think, should I go with a dual D5 top and do the whole thing in one big loop with CPU, Mobo (M5E EK block), and tri-sli 780Ti's with a total of 5 rads (3-480's and 2-360's); or should I go two loops, one for board and CPU with a 480 & 360, then another for the GPU's and 2-480's and a 360?

I have not decided how I want to go with it yet and I am just looking for some opinions.

Thanks in advance for the thoughts.

Jim.
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Question guys and gals,

I'm gonna start a build in my new STH10, what do you think, should I go with a dual D5 top and do the whole thing in one big loop with CPU, Mobo (M5E EK block), and tri-sli 780Ti's with a total of 5 rads (3-480's and 2-360's); or should I go two loops, one for board and CPU with a 480 & 360, then another for the GPU's and 2-480's and a 360?

I have not decided how I want to go with it yet and I am just looking for some opinions.

Thanks in advance for the thoughts.

Jim.

Hey Jim,
Welcome aboard biggrin.gif
I went through a stage of dual loops a year or so back....
But to be honest the hassell of dual loops did not give the reward of better temps that was the temptation for going down that route.
Now I still run dual pumps but single loop in series.
Coolant temp even out as it travels through he loop - so don't worry that gpu running hotter than mobo or cpu or whatever.
Coolant will draw heat from each component's block and dispel what the rad/fan combo is capable of as it passes through each one.

Here's a big single loop (+ 4 more rads not in this picture) - project still in limbo, sorry guys redface.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Hey Jim,
Welcome aboard biggrin.gif
I went through a stage of dual loops a year or so back....
But to be honest the hassell of dual loops did not give the reward of better temps that was the temptation for going down that route.
Now I still run dual pumps but single loop in series.
Coolant temp even out as it travels through he loop - so don't worry that gpu running hotter than mobo or cpu or whatever.
Coolant will draw heat from each component's block and dispel what the rad/fan combo is capable of as it passes through each one.

Here's a big single loop (+ 4 more rads not in this picture) - project still in limbo, sorry guys redface.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Thanks FF,
Yeah, I am aware of how the liquid cooling functions, I'm not looking at dual vs single loops for temp reasons, strictly aesthetic.
I was debating about the dual loops to do different colors in the system. It's not really a big price difference either, just another pump/res unit from Bitspower honestly. Already have all the fittings to go either way.

But again, thank you for the input, I appreciate it.

Edit: the loops, either single or double will be in series except for the GPU's, they will be setup in parallel via the EK link connecting the blocks.
Edited by Jimhans1 - 12/13/13 at 1:31am
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Thanks FF,
Yeah, I am aware of how the liquid cooling functions, I'm not looking at dual vs single loops for temp reasons, strictly aesthetic.
I was debating about the dual loops to do different colors in the system. It's not really a big price difference either, just another pump/res unit from Bitspower honestly. Already have all the fittings to go either way.

But again, thank you for the input, I appreciate it.

Edit: the loops, either single or double will be in series except for the GPU's, they will be setup in parallel via the EK link connecting the blocks.

No probs - for aesthetics could work well depending on rest of your build.
No harm in mocking it up and see if you like it or not thumb.gif
Other reason I used dual loop was for benching / testing clock limits.
Not real pretty because it used a lot of QDC fitings.
Here's dual loop with the cpu only loop jacked into external cooling - a few times during winter I used ice slush box also.
Gpu loop was also "jackable" with a QDC between the psu and pump before inlet port of gpu's
sorry - no CaseLabs case on this one ohno-smiley.gif
post #3609 of 22189
If you are considering the Swiftech Helix fans, I would advise you to try a couple before buying in bulk. I have 12 sitting in a box because I could not stand them even at 1500 rpms. When I was using them my wife asked if something was wrong with my CPU because it was so loud. On another note, I am also considering dual loops in order to make upgrading parts easier.
post #3610 of 22189
Dual loops are good if you have the room and get noise blocker fans cost a little more but trust me when you open them you will forget all about the cost!!
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