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post #3791 of 22194
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Bottom and front would typically be intake, rear and top as exhaust.

Very correct if you are air cooling, but, NOT necessary if watercooling. The "usually" cooler air on the outside of the case can do more for the radiators than following the air cooled convention of intake/exhaust.
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does more intake fans and less exhaust make positive pressure?
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post #3794 of 22194
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Bottom and front would typically be intake, rear and top as exhaust.

Very correct if you are air cooling, but, NOT if watercooling. The "usually" cooler air on the outside of the case can do more for the radiators than following the air cooled convention of intake/exhaust.

It's the same concept. You're blowing cool air up from the bottom through a hot radiator, or from the front through a radiator, and expelling the heat through the top and rear. There is literally zero difference in the principles of fan placement air and water. After two dozen builds, I can tell you from experience.
post #3795 of 22194
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does more intake fans and less exhaust make positive pressure?
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post #3796 of 22194
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It's the same concept. You're blowing cool air up from the bottom through a hot radiator, or from the front through a radiator, and expelling the heat through the top and rear. There is literally zero difference in the principles of fan placement air and water. After two dozen builds, I can tell you from experience.

I didn't say the concepts were different, I just said it's not as necessary to stick by them with watercooled systems, especially in a case like the 4 I have from Case Labs, with the copious amount of open venting they have, I would rather have the increased pressure inside to help keep out dust, I've found little to no negative temperature difference doing my rads as intakes temp wise on any interior components, but I've found me fluid temps are the coolest that way. That's been my experience with liquid cooling. When I'm doing are cooled, I will ALWAYS set them up so that front/bottom are intake, and top/back are exhaust, because that has helped keep the components the coolest for those builds.
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Hey guys quick question for those w/ TH10 series cases and or even MH10. Wondering if its possible to hook up a XSPC Res OR res/pump combo like in the photo here WITHOUT screwing in additional holes, and if so how would I go about it? If not what screw size is usually best and how's the vibration/ratling (for the combos?)

Just taking this into consideration for a 2nd res and or combores.


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post #3798 of 22194
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Hey guys quick question for those w/ TH10 series cases and or even MH10. Wondering if its possible to hook up a XSPC Res OR res/pump combo like in the photo here WITHOUT screwing in additional holes, and if so how would I go about it? If not what screw size is usually best and how's the vibration/ratling (for the combos?)

Just taking this into consideration for a 2nd res and or combores.



I'm assuming your referring to the res that's free standing by itself on the floor in the middle of the case and not the one mounted to the mobo tray.

Since that photo shows one of the vertical accessory mounting bars, it would make sense to get one or two accessory mounting plates to attach to that vertical bar and use it to mount an additional res. two of the small accessory mounts (1 top and 1 bottom with a big res like you have on the mobo tray) should give enough strength. It might obstruct some airflow but......... Otherwise, you could use a Bitspower D5 pump top and the res upgrade and use the included mount to mount to the floor. If you did the drilling on one of those removable fan hole covers and used the included rubber dampers, you won't have much if any vibes or rattling.

I don't remember screw hole size that the pump top mounts come with. But i have used both 6-32 and M4-.7 to mount them with (depended on the case, caselabs uses a lot of 6-32 for their cases so for builds I do in their cases I use 6-32 personally).

And I don't have a TH10 or MH10; I have 1 STH10, 2 SM8's and an S3. So I don't know if my post will count or not. smile.gif
post #3799 of 22194
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I'm assuming your referring to the res that's free standing by itself on the floor in the middle of the case and not the one mounted to the mobo tray.

Since that photo shows one of the vertical accessory mounting bars, it would make sense to get one or two accessory mounting plates to attach to that vertical bar and use it to mount an additional res. two of the small accessory mounts (1 top and 1 bottom with a big res like you have on the mobo tray) should give enough strength. It might obstruct some airflow but......... Otherwise, you could use a Bitspower D5 pump top and the res upgrade and use the included mount to mount to the floor. If you did the drilling on one of those removable fan hole covers and used the included rubber dampers, you won't have much if any vibes or rattling.

I don't remember screw hole size that the pump top mounts come with. But i have used both 6-32 and M4-.7 to mount them with (depended on the case, caselabs uses a lot of 6-32 for their cases so for builds I do in their cases I use 6-32 personally).

And I don't have a TH10 or MH10; I have 1 STH10, 2 SM8's and an S3. So I don't know if my post will count or not. smile.gif

My apologies this is for the center one mounted against the wall not the floor one.
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post #3800 of 22194
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My apologies this is for the center one mounted against the wall not the floor one.

So your wanting to know if that's a good place for it? I think it's great. You already have holes there for standoffs, so any 6-32 screw will work to hold the brackets there. And I don't think vibes will be an issue, with the cards and all weighing the mobo tray down, you should be good.

And if you mean that itty-bitty one sitting back by the mid plate, the same applies as per my first post, except you would have to drill the mid plate for the mount. But the EK tube mounts allow you to us a single screw per mount for mounting if memory serves.
Edited by Jimhans1 - 12/22/13 at 11:31pm
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