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with the right tools it can be done, and if you screw it up...buy some more biggrin.gif
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Sending it off to Lebestia. I wish him the bestia of luck.

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post #6133 of 22188
I got some fujipoly from PPCs, but when I got it, the plastic covering wasn't intact, so there were little hairs and other particles stuck all over the thermal pads. It was pretty disappointing....and then to add to the frustration I realized I only ordered enough for one of my 780s. So basically, never doing that again.

Maybe I would try putting some on my motherboard, since stickg1 mentioned it allowed him to overclock his 3570k a bit higher....I can barely reach 4.5 on mine.
Edited by Anoxy - 4/2/14 at 6:15pm
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post #6134 of 22188
Quote:
Originally Posted by whyscotty View Post

I wanted to do acrylic - I just need to grow a pair biggrin.gif

haha i like acrylic in show builds, but its too unmanagable, i will be using the matte black tube in all of my build aswell, i think it looks great
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Not met many that got a good mount from it and it costs the earth. rolleyes.gif

20$?

holy crap what does a videocard cost to you then? bill gates money?
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Originally Posted by NKrader View Post

haha i like acrylic in show builds, but its too unmanagable, i will be using the matte black tube in all of my build aswell, i think it looks great
20$?

holy crap what does a videocard cost to you then? bill gates money?

Uh, compared to other thermal compounds that net you a handful of uses, that $20 is single use. Pretty expensive for what you get.
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post #6136 of 22188
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Originally Posted by Anoxy View Post

I got some fujipoly from PPCs, but when I got it, the plastic covering wasn't intact, so there were little hairs and other particles stuck all over the thermal pads. It was pretty disappointing....and then to add to the frustration I realized I only ordered enough for one of my 780s. So basically, never doing that again.

Maybe I would try putting some on my motherboard, since stickg1 mentioned it allowed him to overclock his 3570k a bit higher....I can barely reach 4.5 on mine.

No no, this wasn't on my current rig. This was on a machine with a FX-8320 and a 990FX-UD3. I'm not sure why I said it was a long time ago, I guess in "stickg1" time it was a long time ago, because it was about a year and a half back. Man, that kind of is a long time for the FX-8350/FX-8320 to still be the best consumer chip AMD offers. I wish AMD would step their game up on the enthusiast end.

Oh we are focusing on mobile now, mobile can S my D, people will still buy cheap laptops whether they perform well or not, make me something I can spend my hard earned money on and potentially break with excessive voltage!!
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Just ordered a second wave of fans bringing my GT AP-14 stash up to 28. Only 7 more to go (plus a few spares) for my S8 plans cheers.gif
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post #6138 of 22188
Ahem, keep the SM8!
post #6139 of 22188
I was thinking I'd keep both actually. It's a good long term plan. One for the study or bedroom, one for the living room. One can be a networked HHD storage workhorse, the other can be a clean SSD only build. However I would scale back my SM8 plans to the basics comparatively. A place to make use of my older parts as I slowly upgrade the main S8 machine.

A red interior with black exterior CaseLabs case is a dream of mine. I think the S8 with the surround sound windows is the one to do that with. I was going to save that for Gemini but I think Gemini might be too much case for me like the Magnum cases are.
Edited by Neo Zuko - 4/2/14 at 9:24pm
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post #6140 of 22188
Loved all the Fujipoly talk today! I used some of that when modding a generic waterblock to fit my Areca raid card.

But all the talk today made me use my mad google skills to better understand the watts per meter kelvin (W/(m-K)) rating that is used on all the TIMs, including Fujipoly. I wanted to understand what it really meant in the real world. My understanding has increased. I'm going to take what I learned and dummy it down so that even I could understand it.

The (W/(m-K)) rating is the thermal conductivity rating. Important, yes....but not the whole story. What you should really ultimately care about is the rate of heat transfer. The formula for the rate of heat transfer is:

Rate of Heat Transfer = Thermal Conductivity * Heat Transfer Area * Temperature Delta between Two Surfaces / Thickness of TIM interface

or...to simplify, I'll call it: RHT = (TC*A*Delta) / Thickness

So, you can see that if you want to maximize your rate of heat transfer RHT (and you do), you can really do it with 3 of the 4 variables in the equation. For simplicity sake, lets just assume that you can't change or control the Heat Transfer Area, or A, in the equation. Imagine that as the size of the IHS touching the bottom of your block. It is what it is. You can't do much to change that (outside of extreme modding).

But, you can definitely impact the other 3 variables. For the TC....just buy the thermal interface material with the highest thermal conductivity you can. Heat transfer will go up. For the Delta....just maximize your radiator space and spin those fans quicker. That will increase the delta between the IHS and the water block....which will increase heat transfer. For the thickness variable....you want as thin a layer of interface material as you can possibly have, while still eliminating or minimizing air between the two surfaces.

I think the lightbulb moment for me was understanding how important the thickness variable was in the heat transfer equation. Some of the Fujipoly pads had incredibly high thermal conductivity ratings. Much higher than you get with a good thermal grease. As an example, let's say you can use a thermal grease that has a thermal conductivity rating of 8 W/(m-k), or a Fujipoly pad that has a thermal conductivity rating of 17 W/(m-K). Which will transfer more heat? It's going to be the thermal grease almost every time...because the thickness of even the thinnest thermal pad is going to be many times the thickness of a properly applied layer of thermal grease.

Of course...that's with everything else being equal. There will be times when you don't have good direct contact between two surfaces...which will necessitate using a thicker thermal pad like Fujipoly. But if you can spread grease and make good contact....choose that option every time. Every time.

If you have to use thermal pads....use the thinnest you can while still making good contact. Fujipoly has some relatively inexpensive pads with a thermal conductivity rating of 6 W/(m-K)....and some super full-retard expensive pads with a thermal conductivity rating of 17 W/(m-K). Guess what. The 0.5mm version of those cheap pads has about the same rate of heat transfer as the 1.5mm version of the full-retard expensive pads. The cheaper pads only have 1/3 the thermal conductivity....but if you use one that is only 1/3 as thick, .....heat transfer is about the same.

teaching.gif I found it all kind of interesting.
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