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good lord, 5.4K rpm eek.gif


Loving my CFD's @ 400rpm biggrin.gif
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good lord, 5.4K rpm eek.gif


Loving my CFD's @ 400rpm biggrin.gif

if you order them with pwm ( or solder on a cable. ) like i said they go down to 1krpm. which is more then manageable sound wise

aka what a gt14 gt13
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Because 140mm fans have NEVER been used in super high end builds. Watercooling companies have pushed 120mm fans on to people because of radiators. It really hasn't been but the last six months or so that people started requesting 140mm options, and I highly doubt that Jim is going to go back and re-design every chassis we have to accomodate 140mm fans. Future designs will probably have them as an option, but again, up until about 6 months ago, no one even really cared about 140mm fans.

I suppose my build is low-end because I use 140mm fans? And you work for CaseLabs? Does the terrible attitude come with the case or do we have to pay extra for that? rolleyes.gif

You just lost a customer - and several more since I will be telling all of my friends - all PC enthusiasts - to avoid your company.


I didn't mean that as an affront to your build at all, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. Like all companies, we go where the demand is. The truth of the matter is that 140mm fans have not been the defacto standard for enthusiast level builds, mainly because radiators have long been only available in 120mm spec. There haven't been many radiators in the past that accepted 140mm fans. Years ago cases came with 80 and 92mm fan spots in the rear. That's all but gone now. Companies have moved to 120mm as the standard. There wasn't even an industry standard for mounting 200mm fans up until about a year ago, and I suspect there still isn't, but companies are starting to make their 200mm fans with similar mounting now.

The push to 140mm has literally only been within the last few months. So all of the cases previously released didn't have that as an option. Seeing as that it's now something people are demanding more of, that's what we'll try to provide for in the future. As more radiators are produced with 140mm, you'll see more companies move to accommodate that.

Now this is more like it J,I concur with all of this,except 140 based kit has been making solid progression over the last year or so...not months.
140 based rads and fans will be the basis of loops in the future,120s are done..there will be little advancement in that field now,much like 92's before that...

Embrace the future.

While they've been out there for about a year, the demand hasn't really been there until recently. Either way, if it's what the future brings its not something we'll rail against, it's something that we will embrace. Change takes time, is all. Less so for us, because we have the ability to adapt quickly.

Off to the clinic, have to save puppies and kitties lives!

Please don't think im insinuating CL won't roll with the times,my post was more for the naysayers and 120 diehards.
CL already cater for the 140 crowd,just not extensively like 120's

ill make you a deal when you can find a 140 that can out do my 5400 GT ( with pwm and the low end of rpms @ 1k ) and max speed @ 5400rpm and iirc 50.5 db... ill think about it.... till then ill stick with my gts, which you can still buy, direct from nidec servo in lots of 100


(psst they are rated @ 15.2mmh20.... yes.... 15 only thing close is a delta, and you are looking way more cost and probably 35mm fans ( or other similar fans ) )

Are you actually trying to say that 140 fans are no good because they don't match your obnoixiously loud 5400 fans?

A 140 fan on a 140 rad and a 120 on a 120 rad...140 will always win at equal speed.




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p0pe has an M8 full of AMS rads....
You can thank Lian Li for that.....

Thanks for the info B NEGATIVE. That p0pe guy has a wicked nice build. My problem is I neither have the time or money to sink in to a build like that. I have two caselabs builds going on at the same time and the goverment does not pay that well. I will still probaly suck it up and get me some AMS rads though.
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@B NEGATIVE really ? i think ... i dunno every watercooling reviewer ever.... would disagree with you.. not sayign it is the only thing you need to look at. but yea, i would be willing you show you wrong on that.
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@B NEGATIVE really ? i think ... i dunno every watercooling reviewer ever.... would disagree with you.. not sayign it is the only thing you need to look at. but yea, i would be willing you show you wrong on that.

Even Martin says static pressure is overrated and I have tested enough fans to agree with him.
Noise and build quality are the only worthwhile values,static pressure..along with pump pressure are the most quoted but least relevent metric.

Never mind that those static pressure values quoted are often max values in a zero flow environment....worthless at best. The PQ curve is the most important thing to consider for fans and they are far from linear.
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They make nice 140s too. My Akasa Viper has a great PWM range and at full speed can be used to slice veggies for a healthy snack smile.gif
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.............
To Jason's & Jim's points, if you haven't been paying close attention, allow me point out a prime example: The transition from the TH10 > TH10A is a direct reflection of paying attention to customers' needs. The TH10A supports 140s natively. If you consider the 5:1 ratio, and associated manufacturing costs to incorporate these changes, this is a direct demonstration that CL is onboard & understands their customers..............

Just to keep things straight, the TH10A doesn't natively support 140mm fans.
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Hehehe, same here, for some reason, I keep coming back to ppcs or fcpu and just filling out a cart...but no check out tongue.gif. I'm still tossing the idea of replacing my fittings but I have no real justification to replace the current ones.


You have something radical in mind?

Not really, I sold off my last machine to help pay for my new truck. (among other things) So I would have to start over, $500 is how much it would cost to get all the parts I want brand new. But when my CPU (3570K) is folding at 4.7GHz under 60C, and my GPU has never seen a temp over 60C it just kind of seems silly to spend $500 to cut those numbers down by ten to fifteen degrees. I'll see where I'm at when the 280x gets here. Maybe I'll do a GPU only loop?

I had this same CPU watercooled last build, and at this frequency with a waterblock on it my temps were only a handful of degrees lower. Right now I'm just using the Silverstone 120mm down draft cooler. So to spend all that money to see my max core temp go down 5C seems like a poor investment. Although I guess it's not fully about the temps, it's about the hobby itself that I enjoy and keep ditching and coming back to it. So expensive, but so much fun!

That's why I'm holding back because I think I should wait until I upgrade motherboard and CPU to determine whether or not it needs a waterblock on it.

But the contents of my cart are pretty much as follows:

EK Supremacy Clean Acetal
EK 280x (CSQ, meh)
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140mm ST30
EK DDC PWM 140 pump/top/res
Then fittings are undecided, really want to do hardline this time though.
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A couple of questions:
How many 140mm rads and what size (total per rad) do you plan on having, not just now but let's say within the next 3 years?
What would you prefer layout wise, double or single wide?
How many power supplies do you see yourself using now or in the future?
What kind of room do you have for a case (on or off of a desk)?

I think knowing some of the larger, space taking hardware you plan on using is the first step to finding a solution that will work, not just for now, But for future builds in the same case. The biggest thing you want to avoid is not being happy with what you buy. Having to compromise almost always ends up in disappointment (I've been there a few times myself), so let's try and figure out what will work.

Additionally, do you plan on using things like fan controllers, HDDs, optical drives? This would help us narrow down the options.

I plan on having only my CPU water-cooled - with an AIO cooler. Right now, I'm using the Kraken X60 but will upgrade if something better comes along.

Everything else in my system is air-cooled and will be so for the foreseeable future.

I am unsure about layout - I'm torn between the TH10A (especially since it was recently upgraded/updated), M10, or the SMH10. At this point, common sense tells me I should go with the SMH10 w/ the 85mm extension on top (so that I can run 4 140mm fans on my radiator for Push/Pull).

I definitely plan on using 2 PSUs for now - I want to have that option.

My computer is actually in another room - I enjoy quiet and silent gaming/computing in my main room with my display setup. I will be getting the Caster Kit and keeping the PC on the ground - I have plenty of space for the rig.

I have 2 Lamptron fan controllers now - so yes, I will be using 2 fan controllers, and one Blu-Ray Burner - these are the 5.25" bays that I am using currently and plan to for the new build.

I do have 10 SSDs, and 1 HDD (would like to add another later). I want to get Flex-Bays (ventilated) for all the drives etc. Someone else on the forum mentioned that the SSD adapter would enable me to fit 2 SSDs per adapter and 4 adapters per Flex-Bay. Is this correct? That means, my 8x SSD array can fit on one Flex Bay and I can use another Flex Bay for the remaining 2 SSDs and a couple of "regular" HDDs right?

I have a ton of really good 120mm fans - 3 Delta 120mm (5000 RPM) and several Scythe Ultra Kaze (3000 RPM).

I want to have the best air-flow in my case since I'm running 4x GTX-Titan Black SC on air so may be 3 120mm Ultra Kaze on the bottom blowing up towards the GPUs (?) and the 3 Deltas on the front sucking air in(?). Then I can mount 4 140mm Noctua fans on the Kraken X60 radiator and some other fan on the back of the case (should this one blow air out or suck it in?).

Please see my build/benchmark thread here for more info on my rig currently - I'm going to be using everything in that build except the case (doh).

The Uber Rig

Given these things, which case do you suggest? The M10 might be too compact (not enough air flow?) so I guess either the TH10A or the SMH10 (may be STH10?).

EDIT: I used to run the Mountain Mods Ascension CYO when I ran 4x GTX-580 Classified w/ 2 PSUs.

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That's a hell of a lot of SSDs, lol. Additionally, if anyone ever tells you that the Scythe Ultra Kaze's are bad fans, tell them they're insane. Most of my builds for the last 4 years have had those and they're awesome, especially considering I got a boat load of them for 7 bucks each! Always wanted a Mountain Mod Ascension. It's 1 of 3 or 4 cases I've never had that I wanted.

Well, factoring all of this in, I would honestly say that your best bet is probably the STH10. It will support your kraken rad up top or in the bottom (you can order it in reverse ATX so that the Kraken Rad goes in the lower chamber. Conversely, if you purchased the SMH10 in REverse ATX, the Kraken radiator can be mounted in the bottom since the bottom will support 140 fans.

For SSDs, you would need the MAC 102 and MAC 124 accessories. Each MAC 102 will allow for mounting of 4 MAC 124 (2 SSDs each), so yes, 8 total SSDs in this configuration. So you would need to order 1 MAC 102 and 1 MAC 124. Both cases will allow mounting of 4 SSDs and 2 HDDs without any kind of adapter, as well as 2 PSUs.

So, in my opinion I think the STH10 would be the better choice, but the SMH10 is a great option as well for what you're trying to go for.
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