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Well, let me try and explain my situation.. I have a XSPC Delta CPU block, RS240 double rad, Dual 750 bay res/pump presumebly from a kit. I had my whole pc, i7 920, 12 gigs of ram, asus p6t and 4870x2 all built by some company named Cyberpower systems, and i've had nothing but problems.. I basically have 90C temps under load at 3.8, forced me to go back to 3.6 they said this was OK and every CPU is different, blah blah. Something isn't right here, so I found out that they used red dye in my loop, which is apparently a bad thing? I now have small pieces laying around in the bottom of my res (which is apparently also fine by their standards). I really don't have the experience to clean out my loop, I don't even know if my res has a drain hole? Cyberpower didn't include ANY of the XSPC manuals, and I didn't find any online.. I've already re-applied paste, and reseated the CPU block with artic silver 5 there was temp improvement, but still 80 or so under load. Should I try to top up my res with de-iionised water? I want to try anything possible before having to try drain and clean my own loop, looks like theres a big dust build up on my radiator, is there anyway I can clean that out without having to drain my entire system? I really need some pointers, I basically got a very hot system that's suppose to run cool and nice, it's just all breaking down..
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if you can see the jelly in res it means only one thing. you need to clean all loop. rad cpu everything. none of those things will not work as they should cos of that jelly. take apart your wc parts and simply flush them with water, clean them with alcohol and destiled water (for rad) and use destiled water + biocide or silver coil. those dyes can be rly annoying.
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It's hard flat thin flakes in the res, not jelly, but I'm guessing same thing needs to be done?
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If you want to keep the system, you will need to do the following:

Disconnect everything after drain, or disconnect all the parts from the system, tilt the now empty case with just the water cooling parts, and remove all the liquid.

Remove the tubes, buy new ones.
Get distilled vinegar and more distilled water, and a kill coil/pt-nuke.
Use the vinegar to clean the res, the pump, the radiator. Flush them all using distilled water.
If you can, open the cpu block and the pump and clean them as good as you can.

Once done, put things back together, fill the system with distilled water and put in the kill-coil or a few drops of PT-nuke and you should be good to go with lower temps.

That, or buy a complete new xspc kit.

If you start having all sort of things lying around in your res, most likely a few will be sitting in your cpu block, and your radiator, which might cause a low flow and high temps.
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Well, I'll tell you from my first hand experience from doing a water cooling system from the ground up, that it's easier than it looks. It looks intimidating, but if you read up on the numerous guides on the forum, you'll soon come to learn that its just as simple as a few hoses, and some barbs with water.

I would recommend you check the beginner guide to water cooling and familiarize yourself with the parts, what they do, how they work and how each thing comes together to make your water cooling system.

I did all of the above and then ordered my own water cooling parts, put it all together for the first time and by the time I got done, I realized it wasn't nearly as bad as I anticipated. I learned that I was psyching myself out, more than anything else.

As far as the dye goes, it can gunk up your system pretty badly - especially in the water block. Those temps seem quite high, to be honest.

The best thing to do is to never buy from cyberpower (which im sure you've already learned by now - I've had 4 buddies get burned by them in the past. That's way too high a number, especially amongst my friends). Secondly, I would drain your loop and flush your rad, your hoses, your cpu block and your video card block with distilled water a good few times over individually. You can also clean out the dust balls building up on your rad by pulling it out and blowing a can of air through the rad fins, etc etc.

You should be able to pull the system apart from your lowest point, pinching off the hose and letting gravity do it's thing with the water. I don't have a picture of your system so I can't tell you for sure if you have any quick disconnects or anything like that, barring that, though, the lowest point in your system is the best place to disconnect the hose(s) to drain the water.

You should also update your rig info so the rest of the community can see what you're working with to better help your situation. Providing pictures would also help

The thing to really keep in mind is that you should stay calm and keep cool (no pun intended) and this community will get you back on track.
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Cyberpower didn't include ANY of the XSPC manuals, and I didn't find any online...
Manual for the pump/res: http://http://www.xspc.biz/manuals/dualbay750pump.pdf
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I would take my WC kit apart and clean/flush it. Boil distilled water with vinegar and use that to clean your WC. Rinse with hot water and rinse one more time with distilled water.

Also since you will be taking out your water cooling kit. I would change the CPU Water block. Ditch the Delta and go with the XSPC Rasa water block. Should be about 60 bucks. It runs a lot cooler than the Delta and a lot easier to install with the new hardware.

Just run your WC with distilled water and PT Nuke after you have cleaned everything out. Good luck!
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With encourgement from you guys, I've decided to just got for it.. worst that could happen is well, nevermind that!

First of all, I really appreciate any help you guys offer me as I'm a complete liquid cooling newb, I don't want to break anything.. but I'm not stupid either, and I learn quickly, with that said I will go over the guides you suggested. I've updated my system specs, couldn't fit all the cpu cooling info, but hope it's ok.. below are some pics:

I know it's dusty, I've cleaned it out many times:
in it's fully working condition (before failed 4870x2 and high temps)
http://i49.tinypic.com/c5nvk.jpg
now (using a 8600 gt waiting on the gtx 590)
http://artificialanimation.com/uploa...1297758268.jpg
(some more views of the back of the res)
http://artificialanimation.com/uploa...1297758369.jpg

Now with that out of the way, I should note that my sidepanel is basically broken, and a few bits in my case have snapped off.. I'm not sure if I should get another case or not, and without all the original manuals I'm not sure about rewiring and seating everything, a long with tiding it up.. (i've never actually built a system before, just mucked about with it) But in either case, I guess I'll be needing a shopping list.. which i hope you guys can help me out with. I think I'd be wanting to get clear tubing now, but no idea on which diameteres or anything.. I have a bit of cash to spend, so a new block seems fine to me, will it fit the current back plate fitting or will I need to take my mobo off and rescrew a new one? I also wouldn't mind upgrading some of my components.. if there's something you see that could be improved on, please let me know.. of course within reasonable pricing.

As for my plan, I plan to cover my mobo with a plastic cover, disconnect the CPU block unscrew the res and slide it forward enough for me to disconnect the 2 pumps connected to it out the front, I then plan to tilt it slightly and let gravity do it's thing, and hopefully liquid should come out the front into a conveniently placed bucket after that's done I'll disconnect the tubing from the rad and cpu block obviously with a bucket in place incase water comes spraying out in some sort of weird fashion, then as par the cleaning components, I'm not really sure what kind of steps I should take as there's so many different methods.. hopefully I'll buy the Rasa water block and wont be needing to clean the water block out. So I'd be very greatful if someone could put together a list of things I need to grab, and some steps to cleaning all the parts or if there's a guide somewhere that I've missed.. If someone is charging for private help I'd be interested in hearing some rates as well assuming this is asking too much. Again, really appreciate any help. thanks

EDIT: Maybe I should ditch this water cooling system, and grab a H70 instead? I want to push my sytem to 4.0 or 4,2
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H70 is a good cooling solution.
It might be better over a dirty water-cooling loop, but if you clean your system, you should be able to get better temps over the H70.
Up you to.

About draining, just write down and use some tape and markers to mark what goes where, and when you are done, disconnect everything, put it all out of the case all the hardware (shouldn't be hard by the looks of your pic), and than you can drain without worries.
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Swiftfox,

Stay with the WC its much better than the H70 - I had an H70 - of course this is my personal opinon

Don't read to much into it. You are over complicating things. Keep it simple! Everyone has their own method but they are all very similar. Everyone has posted great info for you. You just need to decide what is more comfortable for you and just use common sense. I was very new to WC as well, but don't make it over complicated.

You have a very simple loop and you just have to reconnect back everything to the way it was. Take your time, take a picture write it down etc..

You already have a list on how to clean your loop and what items you need to make sure its clean. Make a list !

Your options as far as I see:

1. Stick with your current WC setup - Take your WC apart and clean and flush everything (use the suggestions members posted) - Use distilled water + PT Nuke after you have cleaned everything to run your WC.

2. Buy new tubbing - then follow same step and above ^^

3. Buy a "Better" CPU water block such as a XSPC Rasa and new tubbing - then follow same step above.

** If you want new tubbing you can go with PrimoChill - The tubing size is below. Your barbs will fit this tubbing.

PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 1/2"ID 3/4"OD with 1/8 -

** XSPC Rasa waterblock
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11...1156_1366.html

Good luck and remember take your time ! No need to rush anything!
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