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EA is shifting to blame externally so they don't look at fault to their shareholders/investors.

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post #72 of 97
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Whatever... show me the game first, if I like it I will buy it.. you don't just go and buy a car without trying it right? Stop defending them really
This 100%.

This exact sentence has come up many times, and Lune you are 100% correct. If devs take away DEMOS, then gamers find other "DEMOS". Honestly I think its pretty much the normal thing now-a-days, hearing friends do the same thing, in-game people talk about how they do it as well.

In reality, this falls back on the devs, ever since 360/PS3 launched its been all about "money talks and bs walks". $$$$$ light up in their eyes and there quality of what there making gets thrown out (money talks, bs walks).

Devs give us back DEMOS, stop this Console get it first BS and PC gets last, stop these (well PC is getting special attention, that special attention is only given because its the most buggiest product out of them all).

Once the devs learn, the gamers will follow suite. Piracy I swear to you, would be down, slowly but go down if DEMOS come out for every major AAA title and BETA's are used more and are REAL BETAs. Not MOH style beta crap thats just to sell a game.
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post #73 of 97
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to be fair, he made a valid counterpoint and your answer doesn't do much to answer his points.

he's not necessarily defending them, he's showing you what their viewpoint is. if they don't release a demo it's up to you to make an informed choice, and given the internet that's easier than before.

as for cars it's different because the manufacturer doesn't mind you trying the car beforehand. making a demo out of one that isn't there (by DLing the game or this leak or something else) on the excuse of "if i like it i'll buy it" is like taking the car and breaking its window to get in, and then if you don't like it you refuse to repair the window, or if you do and decide to keep it, you expect the window to be fixed by the manufacturer.

can't have your cake and eat it as well as the icing
No matter what anyone says, there should be a DEMO.

Killzone games looks nice right? You get fooled so hard by yoube videos and everything.. and then you get THE MOST PATHETIC ingame movement / laggish controls ever seen in a game... it's so bad
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post #74 of 97
I'd like to know why, 2 months before release, they have a working Beta just floating around (apparently) without proper security.
    
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post #75 of 97
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Whatever... show me the game first, if I like it I will buy it.. you don't just go and buy a car without trying it right? Stop defending them really
How many times are people going to use this argument. If you don't understand its not the same thing, then we are at an impasse.

A car dealership gives you the means too test drive the car, you don't just walk onto the lot and jump in the thing do you? If you went to buy a car and the guy said "sorry we don't offer test drives" would you not take your business somewhere else? Same goes for games. If the company doesn't offer a demo and you don't feel comfortable buying the game without trying it......DON'T BUY IT.

Please don't accuse me of defending anyone, I am defending the idea of a free market and personal responsibility.
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How many times are people going to use this argument. If you don't understand its not the same thing, then we are at an impasse.

A car dealership gives you the means too test drive the car, you don't just walk onto the lot and jump in the thing do you? If you went to buy a car and the guy said "sorry we don't offer test drives" would you not take your business somewhere else? Same goes for games. If the company doesn't offer a demo and you don't feel comfortable buying the game without trying it......DON'T BUY IT.

Please don't accuse me of defending anyone, I am defending the idea of a free market and personal responsibility.
Well one thing I have to say, is that they have no CLUE how to make money at all... bunch of idiots.

They are the one forcing this "piracy"
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post #77 of 97
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No matter what anyone says, there should be a DEMO.

Killzone games looks nice right? You get fooled so hard by yoube videos and everything.. and then you get THE MOST PATHETIC ingame movement / laggish controls ever seen in a game... it's so bad
you're not addressing the points i made. ignoring them doesn't help.

again, look at Civ V. look at the user reviews. look at Empire Total War's user reviews, and at Mafia II's user reviews.

ech i'm not going to bother
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you're not addressing the points i made. ignoring them doesn't help.

again, look at Civ V. look at the user reviews. look at Empire Total War's user reviews, and at Mafia II's user reviews.

ech i'm not going to bother
No one cares about reviews.. you gotta try it your self >.> especially if its an FPS game / sigh
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post #79 of 97
If you want to take the moral highground, Zippy is right.

You do not have any right to a game, it is a product. If you want it so bad, you have to adhere to the companies policies. If you disagree with the way the company handles itself, the absolute last thing you should do it begrudgingly hand over your money.

If you do that, the product owns you.

The most power consumers have is robbing a company of its income, that is the only reason they exist. Who cares how dope the game is, don't let the advertising overwhelm your influence. If everyone protested a game, there would be zero option but for the developer to bend, even if it meant the consumer wanted waterguns instead of lasers. They would HAVE TO DO IT or they would go broke. If more people realized this, there would be far less disatisfaction with developers because games that were legitimately bad would not sell. Instead, people eat up the commercials and fork over the cash, and complain later.

Guess who isn't listening later?

If you guys want demos, stop buying games without them and get your friends to do it too. You won't die without Crysis 2, even though they would like you to think you would. Companies know you wont do this. It is almost embarrassing.
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Devs need to work on their security...

A buggy unfinished game with no MP getting leaked is not going to kill Crysis 2 sales.
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