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Hi Guys,

Just want to ask a few stuff from all the watercooling masters here. I'm currently building my first loop and planning on cooling everything on my system (see below). I've already ordered a 360 and 480 Rad for the build. I was hoping someone can answer a few questions i have so I can move forward.

1. Since I have 2 rads (360&480) would the size of the reservoir matter? 250s are almost non existent (out of stock everywhere) so 150s would be the only choice. Would this affect performance?

2. After much reading 1/2ID x 3/4OD seems the be the most preferred and best performing tubing size. But after seeing pictures its a bit fat/big for my eyes. Whats the next smaller tubing that doesn't sacrifice performance?

3. For the coolant im going with everyones advice of Distilled+PT Nuke. But I want to add color to my coolant since ill be using a transparent tube. How will I go about this?

4. and last for my loop. Whats the best order to do? (I have 2xgtx580x / i7-950 and a 360rad and 480rad)

Sorry for so many questions. I know some of these were already probably answered but I tried digging through some threads and some answered are out of context with my question.

Hope someone can help me out in answering even just a few questions.

Thanks OCN!
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1. I believe you wont have any problems
2. Just get whatever makes you happy, in the other hand you will forget about look in a month or so...
3. distilled water will go green eventually.
4. I personally like EK products, so I would recommend them
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Originally Posted by jello900;12383553 
1. Since I have 2 rads (360&480) would the size of the reservoir matter? 250s are almost non existent (out of stock everywhere) so 150s would be the only choice. Would this affect performance?

2. After much reading 1/2ID x 3/4OD seems the be the most preferred and best performing tubing size. But after seeing pictures its a bit fat/big for my eyes. Whats the next smaller tubing that doesn't sacrifice performance?

3. For the coolant im going with everyones advice of Distilled+PT Nuke. But I want to add color to my coolant since ill be using a transparent tube. How will I go about this?

4. and last for my loop. Whats the best order to do? (I have 2xgtx580x / i7-950 and a 360rad and 480rad)
1. Res size won't matter once you get the loop filled and bled. Think of the res more as an expansion tank for a car radiator instead of a gas tank.

2. Personally, I prefer 7/16ID x5/8OD and I run that clampless, stretched over 1/2Barbs. You can see pics of it in my build log in my sig.

3. Don't. Use colored tube with pure distilled. Dyes will turn to gunk in your loop eventually, I highly, highly, recommend you use plain distilled + pt nuke. You can see some examples of the gunk that built up in my old loop, also in my sig.

4. Order doesn't matter, just use whatever gives the cleanest tubing runs. The only important aspect is Res before Pump. I also like EK, but I don't think you were asking about what parts to order...?

Feel free to ask more!
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3. distilled water will go green eventually.
Not true, with some PTNuke or a silver KillCoil the distilled will stay clear for years.
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1 - Reservoir size doesn't really matter. Look at Swiftech's reservoir's size.

2 - I prefer 1/2 and don't worry they are not ugly IMO.

3 - Do not use dye you will only hurt your setup's performance as they leave residues in your loop causing clogging. Just use colored tubes to your like.

4 - The usual order is Res -> pump -> Rad -> CPU -> GPU -> Rest
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You can buy dyes to sort the colouring but I'd recommend buying coloured tubing. Eliminates the risk of gunking your components up.

In regards to the loop order, as long as the reservoir is higher than the pump in the loop, the order does not affect performance. Set it up however is most convenient.

The next size down to that would be 7/16" ID 5/8" OD. 1/2" ID 3/4" OD is by no means "fat", in fact it looks better in my opinion - isn't one of the reasons to get water cooling to look at it?

Size of the reservoir won't matter. Once you've filled up your loop (you will need to keep adding water to the loop as it gets sicked around), the water sits in the tubing and components as well as the reservoir.
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3/8 ID tubing is just fine in terms of performance, and bends well even if thin walled. I use primoflex 3/8 ID 1/2 OD tubing, much more gainly looking, and fitting compression fittings on blocks is easier.

A bigger water tank just makes bleeding a bit easier, it doesn't affect performance.
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Originally Posted by jello900;12383553 
Hi Guys,

Just want to ask a few stuff from all the watercooling masters here. I'm currently building my first loop and planning on cooling everything on my system (see below). I've already ordered a 360 and 480 Rad for the build. I was hoping someone can answer a few questions i have so I can move forward.

1. Since I have 2 rads (360&480) would the size of the reservoir matter? 250s are almost non existent (out of stock everywhere) so 150s would be the only choice. Would this affect performance?

2. After much reading 1/2ID x 3/4OD seems the be the most preferred and best performing tubing size. But after seeing pictures its a bit fat/big for my eyes. Whats the next smaller tubing that doesn't sacrifice performance?

3. For the coolant im going with everyones advice of Distilled+PT Nuke. But I want to add color to my coolant since ill be using a transparent tube. How will I go about this?

4. and last for my loop. Whats the best order to do? (I have 2xgtx580x / i7-950 and a 360rad and 480rad)

Sorry for so many questions. I know some of these were already probably answered but I tried digging through some threads and some answered are out of context with my question.

Hope someone can help me out in answering even just a few questions.

Thanks OCN!

1. Doesn't matter.

2. I've always had a great experience with 3/8" ID and 1/2" OD. As I understand it, the size of the tubing and amount of performance is negligible.

3. NO COOLANT! Take it from someone who spent hours cleaning out pink blocks after using red dye/coolant. Here's my current setup. Note the clear water in the reservoir and the colored tubing. Looks just as good, if not better + no headache.

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4. Doesn't matter really. Do a loop with minimal tubing constriction just make sure the reservoir feeds directly into the pump.
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This is gunk that built up in my loop, specifically the CPU block, over the course of 6-8 months. The dye was Feser Clear/UV Blue, running with Tygon tubing. The tubing stained but I didn't think much of it, little did I know that the block was getting really clogged. This result is not unique to Feser dyes, people have had similar results with other manufacturers; the dye just can't stay in solution with all the jets and vortices present in a loop so it gets separated out...
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thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'll probably go with 3/8ID 5/8OD or 1/2OD. Seems like the thinest I can go without losing performance. For the res I just went with the 150 since like all of you said it doesnt really affect performance. For the Dye I might just delve into it using a Mayhem's dye which from what I read is one of the good ones. Maintenance really isnt a problem since it would be great to tinker with it every couple of months.

Thanks again for all these suggestions everything is on the cart ready for order! but im faced with another dilemma. Since I'll be using 1x480 1x360 rad based on your advices the best order of my loop would be:

Res-Pump-480Rad-GPU1-GPU2-360RAD-CPU-RAM-Res. would that be best?

Went ahead and made an kiddy sketch of my build case would be a TJ07:

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I want to go ahead with the plan I mention earlier but dont know how to approach it so it would look really CLEAN and NEAT, It would be great if I can order the exact amount and kind of fittings as im in a tight budget already. Can anyone help me out on how I can go about the loop and fittings to use and loop order/orientation to make it look super clean?
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Originally Posted by jello900;12509864 
I want to go ahead with the plan I mention earlier but dont know how to approach it so it would look really CLEAN and NEAT, It would be great if I can order the exact amount and kind of fittings as im in a tight budget already. Can anyone help me out on how I can go about the loop and fittings to use and loop order/orientation to make it look super clean?

I'd check out some of the WC TJ07 builds and see what people use for various pass-throughs and mounting setups. There are plenty of TJ07s here that are underwater in setups exactly like what you have described. Should be a great setup for you!
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