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post #211 of 616
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Originally Posted by pietro sk;13159413 
that doesn´t mean same price....wink.gif

well basically it does. and that's our best guess at this point.
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Originally Posted by Doom;13159508 
The scariest thing about Intel is it's changing socket again.
LGA 1155 is a good platform why change it.

not changing just introducing a new platform for higher end chips. 1155 and 2011/1356 will co-exist, neither is replacing the other.
 
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post #212 of 616
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Originally Posted by Alatar;13159565 
well basically it does. and that's our best guess at this point.



not changing just introducing a new platform for higher end chips. 1155 and 2011/1356 will co-exist, neither is replacing the other.

1356?

I thought it was just 1155 and 2011?
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post #213 of 616
If AMD can do what they say theyre gonna do and split one thread between the two integer cores on one of the bulldozer die modules then it might be GG for intel this round.

Still not sure why even AMD is calling this chip an octo-core though. Theres only 4 modules on chip. The only thing different about this arch from a quad core is that each core has an extra integer unit. It still only has 4 floating point addressers, 4 banks of L2 cache, etc.
Edited by Rommel - 4/17/11 at 4:21am
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post #214 of 616
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Originally Posted by thealex132;13159606 
1356?

I thought it was just 1155 and 2011?

eh I didn't mean to type that, 1356 was the rumored high end socket but it seems that 2011 is confirmed to fill that role now.
 
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post #215 of 616
it better match and Beat Sandy bridge. because right now Sandy bridge is best performance/price right now.
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post #216 of 616
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Originally Posted by barrpet;12383994 
AMD will always have the best bang for the buck. Intel will always own the high end market.


I so agree.
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post #217 of 616
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Originally Posted by blackbalt89;12384041 
Because core per core performance is the only way to compare the two.

A quad i7 with HT off still beats a Phenom II when at the same clock so why not compare Bulldozer's 8 cores to Ivy Bridge with HT off?

Lol,because Ivy Bridge is 22nm,hence Bulldozer will be battling the 32nm Sandy Bridge.Bulldozer 2 will take care of Ivy Bridge.biggrin.gif
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I think they'll be back on top smile.gif

You can only get away with refreshing CPU architecture for so long before the competition takes over.

AMD found this out the hard way with the Atholon 2 and Phenom 2 line of CPU's, Intels built from the ground up i7 architecture just flat out hammers them.

But now Intel is on the refresh bandwagon, Granted Sandy Bridge is faster but it's only a refresh of existing i7 processors.

Looking back every time AMD have released a brand new architecture they've over took Intel. The problem is that AMD have not released one for years.

The Hyper Threading debate

Can you really compare AMD chips that don't have HT to Intel chips that do?

Course you can, Intel fan boys have always said 'Core count isn't important' and now that Intel has a 8 core CPU on the way it's amazing how there views have changed rolleyes.gif

Intel CPU's actually have WORSE per clock performance with HT enabled.

Let me explain.

Say for example an Intel core has 100 execution units with no hyper threading enabled. WHile running a single thread application the chip can use all of those 100 units for the thread so the application gets 100% power of that core.

Now when you turn HT on it takes a fraction of these execution units for the second thread. I think it's around 15% for the core i7 CPU's.

So now while you have 2 threads the main PHYSICAL thread is now down on per-clock performance to run this hyper thread. Those 100 execution units have now been reduced to 85, Reducing per-core, per-clock performance by 15%. Did you Intel boys think HT comes with no down sides and that it's free? lol....

The benefit of this is better performance on multi-threaded apps, If I had an Intel CPU I would turn HT off as it would give me better per-clock performance as well as allowing the CPU to run cooler and possibly at a higher clock speed.

And personally I think that on a per-core, per-clock performance Bulldozer will be faster then Sand Bridge but slower then Ivy Bridge.
Edited by scatteh316 - 4/17/11 at 4:58am
post #219 of 616
From what we ve seen Sandy Bridge was a fail at it s begining.Thousands of defective motherboards.I almost bought one SB system untill they started taking back from sale the mobos.Even now i fear not to get a malfunctioning sample.
Bulldozer will practically put Intel in the ground this summer.
I feel bad for the Intel fanboys that post flame wars in the AMD area.
AMD users will only need to update BIOS-es and thats it.
   
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post #220 of 616
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Originally Posted by crossy82;13159788 
Lol,because Ivy Bridge is 22nm,hence Bulldozer will be battling the 32nm Sandy Bridge.Bulldozer 2 will take care of Ivy Bridge.biggrin.gif

rolleyes.gif Being on a smaller process meens NOTHING.

The manufacturing process it used has little to no effort on the processors per-clock performance.

It's mainly power consumption, Heat and yields that benefit from a die shrink.
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