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Poll Results: Is Bulldozer going to fail vs Sandy Bridge?

 
  • 32% (289)
    Yes, it will.-
  • 67% (606)
    No, I don't think so...
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post #221 of 616
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Originally Posted by Fuell;13156920 
Yes please, otherwise I've been preaching some rather off stuff. Everyting I've seen said no specifics about the CPU, only stating AMD's 32nm process or AMD's next generation processor, which could be anything, even a Phenom II die shrink if AMD does it.

So if you find the link, let me know!
Well I don't think JF-AMD will confirm or deny this (since he probably rather likes his job) biggrin.gif, but a couple weeks ago Asus announced that their recent high end boards were designed to incorporate the pin layout of the Bulldozer (apparently), which is why they are claiming with a simple BIOS flash you can get all the features associated with an AM3+ socket.

It seems like they just made the mistake of releasing this information too early.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Asus-Says-Bulldozer-Is-Compatible-with-AM3-Motherboards-After-BIOS-Update-189732.shtml

According to ASUS they actually designed in an AM3+ socket into the Crosshair IV line of mobos in preparation for the future. However I still take this with a grain of salt since it is likely the rest of the board is configured/built to sustain the Bulldozer technology and speeds, but they may just be reproducing this line with the AM3+ sockets instead of the AM3 socket.

I won't be buying any mobos until I can guarentee that it will work with the Bulldozer to it's full potential.
post #222 of 616
asus says compatible. that doesnt mean 'take full advantage of'.
amd has said amd wont supporton am3 boards . amd also said am3 boards will not be able to take complete advantage of bulldozer's new technology.
the only way to find out is wait until someone runs the same bulldozer chip on both boards
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^Asus says their Crosshair IV Formula & Extreme will run the Bulldozer to it's full potential....
Now, if it does not meet the full potential, you will not complain to AMD, right? I have no idea what anyone's boards will be like, but obviously, if they are making the claim, you will take all complaints to them.

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Originally Posted by Fuell View Post
...which could be anything, even a Phenom II die shrink if AMD does it.
will not happen. period.

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Originally Posted by phibrizo View Post
only one person in this entire thread know that answer to your question, an i bet he really likes his job, so he probably wont answer the question,
IMO i think BD will be about equal to SB, i think they will trade blow in different area, but none of this intel completely owning amd. Well i hope so at least....
I actually don't know. I deal in server, so I have no idea what the client stuff will be like.

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Originally Posted by Rommel View Post
If AMD can do what they say theyre gonna do and split one thread between the two integer cores on one of the bulldozer die modules then it might be GG for intel this round.

Still not sure why even AMD is calling this chip an octo-core though. Theres only 4 modules on chip. The only thing different about this arch from a quad core is that each core has an extra integer unit. It still only has 4 floating point addressers, 4 banks of L2 cache, etc.
A. Splitting a thread between 2 cores will not happen. Too much efficiency is lost, you end up with lower performance.

B. It is called an 8 core because there are 8 integer cores with 8 integer pipelines. There are also 8 FP pipelines. Why would it not be an 8-core?

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Originally Posted by ajmidd12 View Post
Well I don't think JF-AMD will confirm or deny this (since he probably rather likes his job) , but a couple weeks ago Asus announced...
That has nothing to do with my job. I don't work for ASUS so I would obviously never be able to comment on anything that they do.
post #224 of 616
ah JF-AMD, I love it when you come out of no where, good job!
post #225 of 616
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Originally Posted by scatteh316 View Post
Being on a smaller process meens NOTHING.

The manufacturing process it used has little to no effort on the processors per-clock performance.

It's mainly power consumption, Heat and yields that benefit from a die shrink.
What are you on about?A die shrink has plenty to do with it,lol,taken from your statement:

'It's mainly power consumption,Heat and yields that benefit from a die shrink'

Power consumption when lowered =higher clocks,more hardware.
Heat lowered=more headroom for clocks,ability to add hardware.
Yields higher=cheaper to build/price competitive.

Now i'm know expert but i think the 3 things above are quite an advantage and do make a difference.
post #226 of 616
Inb4flame...damn. Bulldozer will prevail. AMD always dominates value and Intel dominates high end...currently. Before was pretty different. Intel wasn't always the top dog. I just hope the days of AMD coming back to power comes again. It would be nice for a change as long as they keep the low prices.
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post #227 of 616
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Now, if it does not meet the full potential, you will not complain to AMD, right? I have no idea what anyone's boards will be like, but obviously, if they are making the claim, you will take all complaints to them.

That has nothing to do with my job. I don't work for ASUS so I would obviously never be able to comment on anything that they do.
Well first, I won't be purchasing my ASUS or Gigabyte or whatever board I plan on upgrading to until I am 100% sure that the Bulldozer is fully compatible, if it doesn't work then yeah I would complain to the board manufacturer.

I meant no disrespect, what I meant was that you probably can't confirm or deny ASUS' claims that their boards will fully support the Bulldozer or that the Bulldozer will in fact work with their sockets as is, even though you kinda did with the first paragraph of your response.

Keep up the good work

post #228 of 616
Well, guys. Do you remember the last time AMD released CPUs with an entirely new architecture? Enough is said.
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post #229 of 616
i REALLY hope bulldozer does win out, im holding out till we get some benches. slightly concerned AMD aren't saying anything though, yet they hype there graphics cards when they trade blows with geforce cards. its worrying they are totally silent about bulldozer and the fact there high end execs are jumping ship, i really hope this doesnt mean BD has failed. and with a 2500k at £166 they are going to have pull off something remarkable to beat intel.....
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post #230 of 616
isnt ivy bridge only suppose to be like 10% to 15% better than sandy bridge? and how many years was it before they changed the architecture for AMD when comparing the phenom IIs to the i7 quads with HT?
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