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    Yes, it will.-
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    No, I don't think so...
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post #251 of 616
I hope AMD rocks out with dozer. But we will see...... If the cores are many but weaker individually I cant foresee myself caring about a new processor any time soon. I would like to see 4MB cache per core and quad core processors.
Edited by Killam0n - 4/18/11 at 4:43am
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post #252 of 616
How about we compare ANY $140 Intel piece to my 1055t & see how that turns out. Comparing a $1000 piece to a $200 piece is a little silly, don't you think?
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post #253 of 616
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Take a look at 32nm Westmere vs. 45nm Magny Cours. The 45nm is about the same power, ~5-20% faster (integer & FP) and less expensive.
Which CPU's are you comparing? The 6 core Westmere or the 4 core vs the 8 core Magny Cours or the 12 core version?

I don't speak for everyone, but personally I don't find ~5-20% faster with 100% more cores too awe inspiring.

Less expensive is great, but not at the cost of performance. With my system for instance I spent more on the gpus than I did the cpu. I spent more on the cooling system than I did the cpu. I even spent more on the board and peripherals than I did the cpu.

More for less is always good in my book, I just think currently AMD has a poor balance between number of cores and per core performance.

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How about we compare ANY $140 Intel piece to my 1055t & see how that turns out. Comparing a $1000 piece to a $200 piece is a little silly, don't you think?
The 1055t is $185, in gaming the i5-2300 ($185) is going to outperform your cpu. However to beat a 1055t at 4GHz in rendering you'll probably need at least a i5-2500 which is $25 more than the 1055t. If its an encoding match up I'll take any SB chip with the H67 chipset over an AMD x6.

My chip does retail for $40 ($225) more than yours, however its more of an enthusiast chip comparable to the 1090T ($200) or 1100T ($230).
    
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post #254 of 616
Let's put it this way, if the Bulldozer doesn't match up to SandyBridge (or higher) I'm jumping ship on AMD CPU's and getting a new ASUS Mobo and i7 SandyBridge.

Here's to hoping that AMD pulls it off cause I hate Intel customer support!
post #255 of 616
I don't think it will be. If it is I will eat my hair.

Anyway its better to wait until the end of the year, most of the processors from AMD and Intel will be released by then and we will know what is the best.

Also you could always get it for you Christmas off someone .
post #256 of 616
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How about we compare ANY $140 Intel piece to my 1055t & see how that turns out. Comparing a $1000 piece to a $200 piece is a little silly, don't you think?
We don't need to compare 1000 dollar CPUs to meet (and beat) your Phenom. Not sure where you're getting that idea. In fact, even an i3 2100 will beat your chip quite handily at games like Crysis and Starcraft 2. If we're talking encoding, SB still has you beat. Rendering.. maybe. But the 2500k has you there too.
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post #257 of 616
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
Which CPU's are you comparing? The 6 core Westmere or the 4 core vs the 8 core Magny Cours or the 12 core version?

I don't speak for everyone, but personally I don't find ~5-20% faster with 100% more cores too awe inspiring.

Less expensive is great, but not at the cost of performance. With my system for instance I spent more on the gpus than I did the cpu. I spent more on the cooling system than I did the cpu. I even spent more on the board and peripherals than I did the cpu.

More for less is always good in my book, I just think currently AMD has a poor balance between number of cores and per core performance.

I think you are missing the point. You need to compare at the SOCKET level, not the core level.

There are different philosophies on how to achieve better throughput, fewer larger cores or a larger number of smaller cores.

Both have their pros, both have their cons.

What you need to look at the is the per socket outcome - that is how you compare 2 different processors. What do I put in (power, cost), what do I get out (performance).

If you are going to tell me that I have poor per core performance, are you also willing to step up and say that Intel has poor per core price and per core power?

You don't get to play it only one way, if you are going to break down performance per core you have to look at what that performance is costing you in power and dollars.
post #258 of 616
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I think you are missing the point. You need to compare at the SOCKET level, not the core level.

If you are going to tell me that I have poor per core performance, are you also willing to step up and say that Intel has poor per core price and per core power?
I agree that the price per overall performance should also be considered, but, at this moment, the i5 2500k surpasses every AMD commercial desktop CPU offering in both sheer performance, performance per core and performance per price.

Although your point holds true for most other Intel processors, you also have to consider the fact that a certain premium is always paid for the absolute best performance available.

I'm going to go a little out of topic to make a point: in the GPU field, we've seen that for $1000 the Radeon HD 6970 trifire option is much better than the GTX 580 SLI, but that isn't the point of the GTX 580. The GTX 580 is not there for price/perfomance, it is simply there for sheer performance. The GTX 580 is there so that when someone quad-SLIes it, they get the best performance no matter the setup.

Similarly, in the CPU field, we have the i7 990x, and it is not there to compete in price/performance with the PII 1100T but for maximum computational power available to the consumer.
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post #259 of 616
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
If you are going to tell me that I have poor per core performance, are you also willing to step up and say that Intel has poor per core price and per core power?

You don't get to play it only one way, if you are going to break down performance per core you have to look at what that performance is costing you in power and dollars.
Indeed, but we're two strangers from two different worlds.

The server world you're from might as well be mars to me. The world I live in doesn't use 12 cores, or 8. This world uses 2 in most applications sometimes 4, rarely more.

In your world you could say Intel has poor per core price, however since the performance level per core is pretty close to every two of yours and the overall output is nearly the same the power difference isn't all that great. At least as far as I can understand it. One Intel core does 90% of what two AMD cores do with the same thermal threshold correct? AMD seems to have a clear advantage in the pricing department but I'm can't really comment on that as I have no clue whats going on on your end.

I honestly don't know enough about the server market to really comment on it. I remember reading something where Intels sever chips were better for short or smaller tasks whereas AMD had better long term task performance or something to that effect.

Again though I have to stress when I make comments on this forum its solely from the view-point of an end user at home, running moderate multi-tasking with mostly gaming. From my perspective it won't benefit me if Bulldozers 8 core cpu is 50% faster than the i5-2500k for the same price, because 50% faster with 8 cores is 25% slower with 4 being used.


Edit: I'm not trying to make up Bulldozer numbers, I'm just trying to give an example.

For example, Intel could try to sell me a 20 core cpu for $100, but if the tasks I use daily only use 10 cores and AMD has a 10 core CPU that costs $125 but is 10% faster than Intels per core I'm going to go with the AMD cpu because it provides more performance for my needs.
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post #260 of 616
Intel has a very nice manufacturing process and in spite of that the prices are how to say ... huge .
What do you say about that ?

What is the profitability for Intel when they have you buying cheap things at high prices ?
Don t you see you are fooled with very little performance advantage to empty your pockets.
How many chips does Intel get from one wafer and how many does AMD ?
What are AMD prices and what are Intel s.

The main reason this guys go for tinyer manufacturing process is profit , not power consumption or performance.More chips more money.
With every step Intel takes you more money from your pocket.To feed USA/CIA budget

More chips on the wafer more profit for them.More market share more guaranteed profit from captive/hyped users.
   
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