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post #281 of 616
Its the people who feel those white collar jobs are the only ones of importance that our nation has 90% of its wealth in 10% of its population and 1% of that 10% have most of that 90%.

There are more (well not so much anymore) well paying jobs than what can be found in a large metropolitan city. Unskilled, skilled, factory, the world nor the nation can support any sort of large employment of the type you describe.

What then of the poor and disenfranchised that do not have the same opportunity as those who already have so much?

I think its sad to see you cutting out the middle class of America without even paying it any sort of acknowledgement.
    
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Actually no that is the biggest untruth I've ever heard and it's all the "plebs" that parrot it that make it spread. (Not that I'm calling you a pleb or anything, sorry).

The 3 biggest "world cities" are still NY, London, and Tokyo. They are the top tier highest world cities in the world. Next come places like LA, Manchester, Paris, Frankfurt, HK/PRDR (I know not a city but a region).

Anyways, the top tier jobs are still being kept "in house" in America. The reason being; tacit knowledge being kept in those areas, the chance for face to face contact/networking (ie. doing lunch with a supplier or partner business), instant feedback/flexibility, a pool of highly skilled, and highly educated labour and "embeddedness".

When you say, I'm going to get a job in <Some IT field> where do you think of going first? Silicon Valley? Route 128 (Mass.)? Redmond? Chances are you don't consider places like some random town in India or the Philippines.

The fact is the "good" jobs are being kept in the US/UK/Japan but the low order jobs that only require unskilled or semi skilled workers are all being offshored overseas (you can make an argument for silicon chip production but the people employed there are skilled and usually the local education institutions specialize in training them and researching better methods and such).

I could go on and on with this stuff but fact of the matter is that if you take more advanced economics courses (especially ones that follow Krugmans new trade theory and new economic geography theories) your world will be turned upside down.
You might have a very good point if not for the fact that 95% (give or take) of Americans fall in to that unskilled or semi skilled category. And if every one of those Americans went out and learned skills, the jobs that we are keeping would dry up faster than new jobs could possibly be created.

The sad fact is, good people are losing their jobs every day because of free trade and the exportation of jobs.
post #283 of 616
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Its the people who feel those white collar jobs are the only ones of importance that our nation has 90% of its wealth in 10% of its population and 1% of that 10% have most of that 90%.

There are more (well not so much anymore) well paying jobs than what can be found in a large metropolitan city. Unskilled, skilled, factory, the world nor the nation can support any sort of large employment of the type you describe.

What then of the poor and disenfranchised that do not have the same opportunity as those who already have so much?

I think its sad to see you cutting out the middle class of America without even paying it any sort of acknowledgement.
But it's all about the capitalism right? Cheaper products for more profit. You can't introduce "selective protectionism" and think everything is going to be all right.

PS: I'm not here to attack you, I'm just here to attack the ideas. It's also good practise for my final exams in that Economic Systems course cause that prof has ripped apart all my arguments for not considering this theory or that idea.

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You might have a very good point if not for the fact that 95% (give or take) of Americans fall in to that unskilled or semi skilled category. And if every one of those Americans went out and learned skills, the jobs that we are keeping would dry up faster than new jobs could possibly be created.

The sad fact is, good people are losing their jobs every day because of free trade and the exportation of jobs.
That is true but what can you really do about it? Manchester, Liverpool, The "rust belt" and all those old Steel and Ship building centres have seen massive decline in light of cheaper steel from elsewhere and cheaper shipbuilding and the advent of air travel and air shipping (although granted a lot of stuff is still shipped via merchant marine freight ships).
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post #284 of 616
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But it's all about the capitalism right? Cheaper products for more profit. You can't introduce "selective protectionism" and think everything is going to be all right.

PS: I'm not here to attack you, I'm just here to attack the ideas. It's also good practise for my final exams in that Economic Systems course cause that prof has ripped apart all my arguments for not considering this theory or that idea.

The topic of discussion has veered off where it should be and I will attempt to abstain from continuing down said path.

That said you are confusing my thoughts, what I believe in, and what it is. I'm saying what it is, I never stated I agreed with it.

If there was a perfect system we would hopefully be using it, I don't believe we've come up with it yet.
    
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But it's all about the capitalism right? Cheaper products for more profit. You can't introduce "selective protectionism" and think everything is going to be all right.

PS: I'm not here to attack you, I'm just here to attack the ideas. It's also good practise for my final exams in that Economic Systems course cause that prof has ripped apart all my arguments for not considering this theory or that idea.



That is true but what can you really do about it? Manchester, Liverpool, The "rust belt" and all those old Steel and Ship building centres have seen massive decline in light of cheaper steel from elsewhere and cheaper shipbuilding and the advent of air travel and air shipping (although granted a lot of stuff is still shipped via merchant marine freight ships).
Outside of our compulution, there is nothing that can be done. No matter who gets "voted" in, nothing will change. The pockets are too well greased for any real change.

That's just the way it is, and much like the rest of America, I'm far too complacent, lazy, unmotivated, whatever you want to call it, to do anything but sit here and complain. The wonders of "free speech" I guess.
post #286 of 616
A perfect system is one where the world is respected for its limited resources and all of the world's population lives in harmony with itself and with the world in its entirety. The existence of a financial institution, products for profit and indeed capitalism in general is in direct conflict with this perfect system. Having said that, there are A LOT of people in the world and as a result, too many variables to create such a thing as a perfect system. However, today's system leaves MUCH to be desired in the way of living well. One just has to look at a private medical practice and note that the doctor(s) there will not heal you if you aren't carrying money (or insurance, which is still money). Something's wrong there when a human being has the power to heal another human being, or help with physical discomfort, and chooses not to (or is forced not to in order for the doctor himself/herself to be able to cope with today's requirements (money)).

I'm a physicist and don't expect my skills will ever be in short need in almost any sector I look into. I do however not condone most of today's world or its system (particularly capitalism). As a result, I try to do as little as I can to contribute to its continuation. The complete and utter failure of today's financial system can only mean good opportunities for humanity's future as a whole.

EDIT: I like how I've visited this thread after some time just to see what the discussion on Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge is up to and am welcomed by a political/financial discussion, hahaha.
Edited by Gib007 - 4/18/11 at 12:43pm
    
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Sorry but I don't want to dish out 300€ to get a good chip. I'd rather spend 130 and get a phenom II 955
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edit: i like how i've visited this thread after some time just to see what the discussion on bulldozer vs sandy bridge is up to and am welcomed by a political/financial discussion, hahaha.
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lol editing bulldozer ftw!
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