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post #361 of 616
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
You are wrong, consider yourslef corrected. Bulldozer has full cores. It is not hyperthreaded.
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
AMD is not building any fabs, we use globalfoundries and they are building a fab in new york.

Would you rather have 4 cores with HT or 8 real cores?
I'm going to elaborate on this a bit since I'm sure JF is getting tired of repeating himself.

If I understand correctly a BD module is going to be kind of the opposite of a HT core on an Intel chip. Instead of doubling the amount entering the integer and floating point units, AMD is doubling the integer and floating point units. I'm still curious to how this will work but performance should improve quite a bit and should definitely be better than HT.

Here is a bulldozer module, two integer and floating point units ("cores").


Basically what a "core" looks like on our current Phenom and Athlon II chips.


L3 cache is shared among all cores/modules on the processor.

Hope this clears things up a bit though it has been discussed time and time again...

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post #362 of 616
Now, the only question left is how much of a hit is taken by sharing the fetch and decode parts.
post #363 of 616
Also since the Integer pipelines are not shared only FP its not going to offer any boost in areas where Phenom II is leaving a lot to be desired.

The bulldozer design isn't meant to boost performance vs traditional non shared cores. Its meant to reduce power consumption, increase turbo core clock rates, and reduce die space allowing more cores in the same areas.
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post #364 of 616
I can try to undrstand JF-AMD's frustration... try...

People need to understand that the two companies have different goals. He explained how the market works and what AMD is trying to shoot for. To compromise cost and time to try and gain shares in the high enthusiast market would not bring much profit.

Basically... when I walk into futureshop, I see a lot of their machines with an AMD processor. And if what we've seen from Llano is true, then they are going to make a nice dent in the APU market.
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This thread needs to be closed. It serves no purpose.
     
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post #366 of 616
We understand where AMD is trying to go, cheaper. Cheaper fab costs, cheaper R&D, cheaper design.

AMD is turning into the Dollar General of the CPU world. Which is great, if you only need some cheap plastic items made in China.
    
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
What that says to me is that my team is doing its job.

There is no financial benefit in leaking benchmarks, it actually has a negative impact on finances (people should google "osborne effect" if you are too young to remember.)

Benchmarks prior to launch gives the fanboys something to argue about, but benchmarks prior to launch don't help your bottom line.
Benchmarks prior to launch help people save their money and wait for Bulldozer as opposed to giving Intel our money

Would you rather have our money, or Intel? I mean, we already know Intel is ahead, and more than likely will stay that way. There's no denying it. They have more of a market share, more revenue and manpower to get the job done.

Especially considering Ivy Bridge will work in their current 1155 sockets, and will be upwards to a 20% increase over Sandy Bridge.

I find it amazing that 5 months prior to Sandy Bridge's launch, there was a definite Yes or No to the socket issue. No, it would not work with 1156 motherboards. Yes you need a new motherboard.

We're bout a month and a half away from Bulldozer's release and we still don't have any clear answers. All we know is motherboard manufacturers are saying "You can run it with a Bios update". AMD is saying "We won't support it".

I'm sure AMD lost customers by being wishy washy with details. I'd rather be screwed over socket by socket for a new CPU and know it's definite than be held in suspense wondering what's going to work and what's not.

Leaks aren't always as bad as you're trying to make them seem.


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We understand where AMD is trying to go, cheaper. Cheaper fab costs, cheaper R&D, cheaper design.

AMD is turning into the Dollar General of the CPU world. Which is great, if you only need some cheap plastic items made in China.

One of the very few times I agree with some of the things you say. +rep
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i want to go with "Clock for clock" Performance in my next upgrade this summer. i don't care if an 8 core bulldozer is abit better than a 4 core sandy-bridge. I want less cores in my processors and more speed in each of them. i don't mind if Intel and AMD go for faster Hz to do this but adding more cores is not an option. The most cores i ever want in my PC is 6, but i think 4 should be more than adequate until software catches up.
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post #369 of 616
In my opinion, AMD is heading on a path to conquer the netbook/notebook market. Intel will probably always have the lead in pure performance. Unfortunately for AMD, the very affordable sandy bridge lineup is tough to beat. I truly do hope they manage to beat it though.
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What you said is pretty much spot on. I think there are some disadvantages on being to "secretive". The more you make them wait, the more they move on to something else. I mean, afterall, you're going to release/reaveal these chips anyways right?!

Don't get me wrong, these are just my opinion. Not saying or trying to critize JF or anyone here. But I kinda have mix feelings about Bulldozer, I mean, part of me want them to do good and release the damn chip. But part of me, don't like secrets hidden from me and hide stuff that I don't know about (works on AM3+ only, etc).

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Benchmarks prior to launch help people save their money and wait for Bulldozer as opposed to giving Intel our money

Would you rather have our money, or Intel? I mean, we already know Intel is ahead, and more than likely will stay that way. There's no denying it. They have more of a market share, more revenue and manpower to get the job done.

Especially considering Ivy Bridge will work in their current 1155 sockets, and will be upwards to a 20% increase over Sandy Bridge.

I find it amazing that 5 months prior to Sandy Bridge's launch, there was a definite Yes or No to the socket issue. No, it would not work with 1156 motherboards. Yes you need a new motherboard.

We're bout a month and a half away from Bulldozer's release and we still don't have any clear answers. All we know is motherboard manufacturers are saying "You can run it with a Bios update". AMD is saying "We won't support it".

I'm sure AMD lost customers by being wishy washy with details. I'd rather be screwed over socket by socket for a new CPU and know it's definite than be held in suspense wondering what's going to work and what's not.

Leaks aren't always as bad as you're trying to make them seem.





One of the very few times I agree with some of the things you say. +rep
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