Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Is Bulldozer going to fail vs Sandy Bridge?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Is Bulldozer going to fail vs Sandy Bridge? - Page 40  

Poll Results: Is Bulldozer going to fail vs Sandy Bridge?

 
  • 32% (289)
    Yes, it will.-
  • 67% (606)
    No, I don't think so...
895 Total Votes  
post #391 of 616
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicksasa View Post
One thing is sure, if at launch the best bulldozer chip isn't better then a 2600K a lot of people will jump ship to intel. I know I will.
Will they really though?

Think about it. You can't really predict the future and the humanistic/behavioural reaction of people to BD. If you could then you'd know if it's a good idea to invest in Intel or AMD stock right now.

Fact is if it doesn't beat the 2600K then it doesn't. Factor in price/performance, power draw, physical cores (important in server conditions), and a host of other things (after release) and you'll probably see that "tonnes of people are going to jump to Intel if it doesn't beat the 2600K" may not be right, it'll probably be less than you think. Maybe a lot of people jump to AMD after the release even if it doesn't beat the 2600K. OR maybe the status quo is kept.

I've thought about it and also studied up on my Economic Systems textbook (again) and at this point in time it's up in the air. I'm happy with my 955 at the moment, but maybe my mom wants a new computer in the coming months. Would I get her a BD rig? Probably not I'd probably get her a Llano rig depending on what's best for her at the time. Would I get my dad a BD rig? Again it depends, he has a pretty good i7 system right now and all he needs is an SSD and really doesn't need up upgrade since all he does is use CAD, Outlook, and a few other work programs.

Would I get a BD server for my internship business? Again it depends (but probably not since I don't need to virtualize things due to the low ROI for small businesses).

Where do I see BD shining? In the enthusiast and server markets. And as a trickle down result if their flagship CPU kicks Ivy Bridge's ass then more interest might be shown in the Llano (cause lets face it, we can't ignore trickle down effects from flagship products being the best and people buying the entry level stuff even if the entry level product may not be as great as another competitors entry level product). Llano will likely cover people like my mom and cousins who don't use the computer to play games.

So in short. I think the status quo will either be kept and the net migrations will even out (ie. Enthusiasts jumping to Intel, while people like my mom and cousins jumping to AMD) OR although enthusiasts jump to Intel, AMD gaining a greater marketshare due to a greater number of people like my mom and cousins going to the AMD camp. It's all a big dynamic system.

PS: I would put my money where my mouth is and buy AMD stock but seeing as I pretty much live month to month being a student and all I can't.
GISX-R
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 ASUS P6TD Deluxe XFX HD6870 1GB Corsair 6GB DDR3-1600 (9-9-9-24) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Crucial M4 64GB LG 24X SATA DVD-RW Windows 7 Ultimate Logitech G15 
PowerCaseMouse
620W Antec High Current Gamer Lian Li K58W MS OEM 
  hide details  
GISX-R
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 ASUS P6TD Deluxe XFX HD6870 1GB Corsair 6GB DDR3-1600 (9-9-9-24) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Crucial M4 64GB LG 24X SATA DVD-RW Windows 7 Ultimate Logitech G15 
PowerCaseMouse
620W Antec High Current Gamer Lian Li K58W MS OEM 
  hide details  
post #392 of 616
Quote:
Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
I just don't get how Phenom II is fine when the majority of Phenom II users want to upgrade.

Sent from Intel Headquarters using my 2nd Generation AMD destroyer.
Havent you got a bridge to lurk under? Or do you just play here cos the bigger intel boys not want to play with you?
MILSPEC II
(8 items)
 
| LUMO |
(6 items)
 
CLoS3 IMPACT
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
5820k X99m WS 980ti strix 980ti strix 
RAMHard DrivePowerCase
KLEVV Cras DDR4  3tb Red Corsair 600w SFX + 450w SFX Caselabs BH4 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4970k Z97 Gryphon GTX 680 x2 Crucial Ballistix Elite 16Gb 
PowerCase
Be Quiet Dark Power 850 InWin D Frame Mini 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770k ASUS Impact ITX R9 290 Gskill Trident 2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCase
Samsung EV0 250 x2 WD black Loop.....oh yes...... Caselabs S3....modded 
  hide details  
MILSPEC II
(8 items)
 
| LUMO |
(6 items)
 
CLoS3 IMPACT
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
5820k X99m WS 980ti strix 980ti strix 
RAMHard DrivePowerCase
KLEVV Cras DDR4  3tb Red Corsair 600w SFX + 450w SFX Caselabs BH4 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4970k Z97 Gryphon GTX 680 x2 Crucial Ballistix Elite 16Gb 
PowerCase
Be Quiet Dark Power 850 InWin D Frame Mini 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770k ASUS Impact ITX R9 290 Gskill Trident 2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCase
Samsung EV0 250 x2 WD black Loop.....oh yes...... Caselabs S3....modded 
  hide details  
post #393 of 616
What im wondering is what is taking AMD so dang long,i mean they have had the so called bulldozer mobo out for like 6 months now and still no chip? This will be one of the things that could hurt AMD.
Primo
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7-7700k Asus Maximus Hero ix Evga GTX 1080 ACX 3.0 G-Skill F-43200C15D-16GTZKW 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 Evo Corsair Neutron  Ek Supremacy CSQ clean OCOOL 360mm radiator 
CoolingCoolingOSKeyboard
OCOOL 360mm radiator Ek -FC1080 GTX  Windows 10 CM Storm 
PowerCaseMouse
Evga 750 watt Phanteks Enthoo Primo Roccat Kone Optical 
  hide details  
Primo
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7-7700k Asus Maximus Hero ix Evga GTX 1080 ACX 3.0 G-Skill F-43200C15D-16GTZKW 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 850 Evo Corsair Neutron  Ek Supremacy CSQ clean OCOOL 360mm radiator 
CoolingCoolingOSKeyboard
OCOOL 360mm radiator Ek -FC1080 GTX  Windows 10 CM Storm 
PowerCaseMouse
Evga 750 watt Phanteks Enthoo Primo Roccat Kone Optical 
  hide details  
post #394 of 616
Outlaw .. taking too long? how come? They are on schedule ... maybe it's your impatient that is beginning to freak you out ...
post #395 of 616
Quote:
Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
I just don't get how Phenom II is fine when the majority of Phenom II users want to upgrade.
You're getting your statistics from where, again?
GE60
(13 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsHard DriveOS
Intel Core i5 4200M Geforce GTX760M 750GB WD Scorpio Black Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorKeyboardMouseMouse Pad
15.6" CM Quickfire Rapid CM Xornet Steelseries QcK+ 
  hide details  
GE60
(13 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsHard DriveOS
Intel Core i5 4200M Geforce GTX760M 750GB WD Scorpio Black Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorKeyboardMouseMouse Pad
15.6" CM Quickfire Rapid CM Xornet Steelseries QcK+ 
  hide details  
post #396 of 616
Lets hope BD kick SB's butt,so intel will produce even faster yet better value chip,I'll root for the underdogcoz their chip are far better value
Apex Predator
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 5960K@4.5GHz@1.425v Asus Rampage V Extreme 3x Asus GTX980 Ti Strix 4GB TRI SLI G-SkillRipjaws 4 DDR4 2666CL15 8x4GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2xOCZ Vertex 4 256gb in Raid0,2x WDC Black 2TB ... LG 22x DVD-RW x2,Sony BDU 10S BD-ROM Alphacool monsta 360 WaterCooling close loop Windows 7 Ultimate X64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3x Asus VG278H 27 inch Nvidia 3D Vision 2 LED M... Ducky shine 3 blue switch rgb led Enermax Platimax 1500W 80+ Platinum Corsair 900D 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Corsair M90 Razer Manticore Asus Xonar D2X Yamaha CX-A5000/MX-A5000 6x AR80 TG Floor stand... 
  hide details  
Apex Predator
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 5960K@4.5GHz@1.425v Asus Rampage V Extreme 3x Asus GTX980 Ti Strix 4GB TRI SLI G-SkillRipjaws 4 DDR4 2666CL15 8x4GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2xOCZ Vertex 4 256gb in Raid0,2x WDC Black 2TB ... LG 22x DVD-RW x2,Sony BDU 10S BD-ROM Alphacool monsta 360 WaterCooling close loop Windows 7 Ultimate X64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3x Asus VG278H 27 inch Nvidia 3D Vision 2 LED M... Ducky shine 3 blue switch rgb led Enermax Platimax 1500W 80+ Platinum Corsair 900D 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Corsair M90 Razer Manticore Asus Xonar D2X Yamaha CX-A5000/MX-A5000 6x AR80 TG Floor stand... 
  hide details  
post #397 of 616
The way I see it, this can only go one of two ways. Either Bulldozer will beat Sandy Bridge for near the same price, or it will lose for a significant reduction in price.

I'm saying this because of AMD's current financial situation and the economy that we're living in. In my opinion, it wouldn't make good business sense for it to pan out any other way. Especially if AMD wants to make a splash, and take back any of the market.
post #398 of 616
Quote:
Originally Posted by SectorNine50 View Post
Majority of people on this forum in general want to upgrade... daily...
True, and I just hope some BD in my current MB will be a BIG improvement for a 6950 CF, vs any pII, which are dropping price

Quote:
Originally Posted by nicksasa View Post
One thing is sure, if at launch the best bulldozer chip isn't better then a 2600K a lot of people will jump ship to intel. I know I will.
As long as they are "good enough" ahead of the pIIs with price/performance on par, quite a few won't switch to intel. SB does have a very good $$$/perf. But with a lot of AM3 MB being AM3+/BD capable, a lot should try that, and for cheaper than a new intel socket 1??? MB (for it BD works right in 890 MBs)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonza View Post
AMD should really release some benchmarks from Bulldozer, people dont know what they wait for :/
They need some teasers, there is no doubt debate between
1)how many pIIs they can still sell in 45 days VS. how many might jump to intel now (if the performance is way off SB)




I know one thing, if AMD goes broke, and intel becomes a monopoly, that will be TERRIBLE for us hardcore OCers, and really bad for everyone else.

I don't know the market shares, but intel needs to be taken down a few points.

Close competition is the best friend of the consumer. So go BD
Car replacement
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
pII x4 40 @ 3.72GHz NB @ 2.79GHz M4A89gtd PRO/USB3 Sapphire 6950 2GB nonRef 950/1520 @1.2V 4GB Gskill DDR3 CL7eco @1656 6-8-6-20-24-1T 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD Black 640GB SATA3 Windows 7 Ultimate BenQ 24" G2420HD 1920x1080 SeaSonic M12II 520W 
Case
TV stand on wheels + cardboard door 
  hide details  
Car replacement
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
pII x4 40 @ 3.72GHz NB @ 2.79GHz M4A89gtd PRO/USB3 Sapphire 6950 2GB nonRef 950/1520 @1.2V 4GB Gskill DDR3 CL7eco @1656 6-8-6-20-24-1T 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD Black 640GB SATA3 Windows 7 Ultimate BenQ 24" G2420HD 1920x1080 SeaSonic M12II 520W 
Case
TV stand on wheels + cardboard door 
  hide details  
post #399 of 616
AMD is not doing badly by any means.

Even if they are only breaking even on their desktop processors, their graphics cards are more than keeping them afloat. I'm going to bet that AMD is going to be around for a very long time.
Perpetual Upgrade
(17 items)
 
Server
(17 items)
 
Galago UltraPro
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4770K MSI Z97M Gaming Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Edition (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3-2000 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
128GB Crucial M4 (2x) 500GB RAID 0 Swiftech Apogee Black Ice GT Stealth 240 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Corsair K70 Vengence Seasonic X650 Aerocool DS Cube 
MouseAudio
Logitech G500 ASUS Xonar DX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965 MSI 870A-G54 nVidia 8400GS (2x2GB) Patriot DDR3-1600 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
(2x4GB) Patriot DDR3-1600 (3x) 320GB RAID 5 (1x) 1TB Backup Storage Coolermaster TX3 
OSPowerOther
Proxmox Hypervisor Antec TruePower 430W HP Smart Array P400 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7-4750HQ Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200  (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 90GB Intel mSATA SSD 
Hard DriveOSOSMonitor
500GB 5400RPM HDD Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 Windows 10 14" 1080p ColorPro IPS 
Case
Galago UltraPro 
  hide details  
Perpetual Upgrade
(17 items)
 
Server
(17 items)
 
Galago UltraPro
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4770K MSI Z97M Gaming Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Edition (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3-2000 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
128GB Crucial M4 (2x) 500GB RAID 0 Swiftech Apogee Black Ice GT Stealth 240 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro 64bit Corsair K70 Vengence Seasonic X650 Aerocool DS Cube 
MouseAudio
Logitech G500 ASUS Xonar DX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965 MSI 870A-G54 nVidia 8400GS (2x2GB) Patriot DDR3-1600 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
(2x4GB) Patriot DDR3-1600 (3x) 320GB RAID 5 (1x) 1TB Backup Storage Coolermaster TX3 
OSPowerOther
Proxmox Hypervisor Antec TruePower 430W HP Smart Array P400 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7-4750HQ Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200  (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 90GB Intel mSATA SSD 
Hard DriveOSOSMonitor
500GB 5400RPM HDD Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 Windows 10 14" 1080p ColorPro IPS 
Case
Galago UltraPro 
  hide details  
post #400 of 616
I would love to know how much AMD is sinking into bulldozer development though. I agree with the above posts that if AMD doesn't have an answer to sandy soon I'm goin to have to swap over. They cannot run their company by blatantly offering products that are "inferior but cheaper" than Intel. It's working for now but their billion dollar settlement from Intel won't last forever.

And don't flame me about the areas AMD are superior in, I'm aware, my statement is directed at raw power only.
Sent from my Droid Incredible using Tapatalk.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD CPUs
This thread is locked  
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Is Bulldozer going to fail vs Sandy Bridge?