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I love how half the thread has no idea what this is even about.

This is about PlayStation Suite and selling software. Not Jailbreaking.

Even if Sony wanted to, they probably wouldn't be able to release PlayStation Suite on the iPhone. Only can be done on Android because Apple's strict App Store rules. Their rules clearly state that external software cannot be used/downloaded. In other words - you can't buy PlayStation games or apps for the PlayStation Suite if it existed therefore defeating its purpose.

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So Sony is butthurt about the iTunes content publishing model. What else is new? The entire publishing industry is feeling butthurt about it, no one likes to see their existing money-making business model get pulled out from underneath them, to see someone else do it better than you did and essentially take away a piece of your pie.

For the uninformed, Apple's latestoffer on this stuff is actually a significant compromise relative to Apple's typical hard-nosed stance. They are perfectly willing to allow Sony (or whoever) to sell their content outside of iTunes, with Apple getting not one red cent from those sales. But those companies must also make an iTunes option available to everyone, with Apple getting their typical 30% cut. This is what a compromise is: no one gets everything they want, but everyone gets something. But nooooo....the publishers (Sony included) all insist on business as usual, completely unwilling to accept or embrace the new digital model. That they cannot fight. Just ask the CD industry how fighting digital downloads and iTunes went for them.
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So Sony is butthurt about the iTunes content publishing model. What else is new? The entire publishing industry is feeling butthurt about it, no one likes to see their existing money-making business model get pulled out from underneath them, to see someone else do it better than you did and essentially take away a piece of your pie.

For the uninformed, Apple's latestoffer on this stuff is actually a significant compromise relative to Apple's typical hard-nosed stance. They are perfectly willing to allow Sony (or whoever) to sell their content outside of iTunes, with Apple getting not one red cent from those sales. But those companies must also make an iTunes option available to everyone, with Apple getting their typical 30% cut. This is what a compromise is: no one gets everything they want, but everyone gets something. But nooooo....the publishers (Sony included) all insist on business as usual, completely unwilling to accept or embrace the new digital model. That they cannot fight. Just ask the CD industry how fighting digital downloads and iTunes went for them.
No. That's not correct. This is completely different.
Notice how there is not a single emulator on the Apple Store. Everyone that manages to slip through gets removed. Why? Because they directly violate Apple's rule that software cannot run external software even if it's official.

In other words: The app (PlayStation Suite) cannot download and run PSX ROMs even if Sony uses an external browser store or something like that. It's against the rules. Sony would have to individually make an app for each and ever PSX ROM and sell it through the app store as individual pieces which defeats the purpose of PlayStation Suite. Even if they're willing to give Apple a piece of the pie.

Look at SEGA.
They've released a number of Sonic games and other similar classics on the App Store. But notice how there is not one single universal app that they have that includes "SEGA Genesis Classics" or something. It's not because they wouldn't profit more off of that. Hell, SEGA has been doing those classic collections for every single platform since the SEGA Genesis was done. It's because Apple does not allow that external software download, usage, and the separate market to boot.

Sony is forced to turn to Android because they can make their one little appstore within an app store and be able to allow users to download ROMs all they want to. Apple essentially does not allow either. While the one about the appstore within and appstore makes sense and I agree partially with Apple not allowing that, the fact that Apple is so strict about downloading and using external software is stupidity. I can see maybe if no-name-joe releases a NES emulator, then fine they would be concerned about pirating or something of that nature. But something official like Sony - they're retarded.
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So Sony is butthurt about the iTunes content publishing model. What else is new? The entire publishing industry is feeling butthurt about it, no one likes to see their existing money-making business model get pulled out from underneath them, to see someone else do it better than you did and essentially take away a piece of your pie.

For the uninformed, Apple's latestoffer on this stuff is actually a significant compromise relative to Apple's typical hard-nosed stance. They are perfectly willing to allow Sony (or whoever) to sell their content outside of iTunes, with Apple getting not one red cent from those sales. But those companies must also make an iTunes option available to everyone, with Apple getting their typical 30% cut. This is what a compromise is: no one gets everything they want, but everyone gets something. But nooooo....the publishers (Sony included) all insist on business as usual, completely unwilling to accept or embrace the new digital model. That they cannot fight. Just ask the CD industry how fighting digital downloads and iTunes went for them.
You're absolutely right. However...Apple has stated that you cannot so much as even hyperlink to your content from within the app. It's a clever scheme. Obviously its a whole heck of a lot easier to get content from within the App, rather than open up a browser and navigate to a particular website and yada yada, particularly since they can get said content for the same price from within the app (app store rules state in-app content cannot be priced higher than outside the app). Consumers want ease of use; in-app purchases facilitate that - A win for Apple because they'll get their 30% and an obvious loss for the vendor.
 
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Notice how there is not a single emulator on the Apple Store. Everyone that manages to slip through gets removed. Why? Because they directly violate Apple's rule that software cannot run external software even if it's official.
So what Sony is butthurt about, and what we're discussing here, is the restriction on running non-native code...? The same restriction that has been in place from (I believe) day one of the App Store; that prevents Flash and Java Virtual Machines; and that everyone on the planet probably knows about because of the Flash argument from last summer?

Frankly...meh. Just because Sony is complaining about this now doesn't change the pros or cons of Apple's restrictions. IMHO, this is so much of a non-issue compared to the content thing I thought we were talking about, that I guess I'll apologize for confusing the topic and keep my mouth shut.
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So what Sony is butthurt about, and what we're discussing here, is the restriction on running non-native code...? The same restriction that has been in place from (I believe) day one of the App Store; that prevents Flash and Java Virtual Machines; and that everyone on the planet probably knows about because of the Flash argument from last summer?
Sony isn't being butthurt. It prevents them from putting anything on sale in the App store even if they wanted to. I wouldn't call that being butthurt at all. That's called Apple loosing out big time because now Android users (cross platforms mind you too) get all the PSX classics like Crash Bandicoot and all those all time favorites that were simply some of the greatest games to grace this earth. It's a big loss for Apple because of a tiny and rather stupid rule.

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Frankly...meh. Just because Sony is complaining about this now doesn't change the pros or cons of Apple's restrictions. IMHO, this is so much of a non-issue compared to the content thing I thought we were talking about, that I guess I'll apologize for confusing the topic and keep my mouth shut.
No I believe that is apart of it too unless you're referring to the jailbreaking. You make a valid point about the whole in-appstore-in-appstore apps. It's only right for Apple to be able to take a cut of profit if they want to. It's their platform and their store. Publishers who can't exactly come to terms with that should just not do it or say anything.

I agree, at the same time though it doesn't make it necessarily right if you know what I mean. I don't see why Apple can't just let it be instead of making a big deal out of it. I mean, if an app lets you buy from the publisher - what's the big deal? Just make it so publishers can give you some of the profits however means necessary instead of making it completely banned. It prevents the entire platform from getting something as great as PS-Suite.

That completely changes the pros/cons of the Apple store and it's restrictions. I would very much like to be able to play Resident Evil 3, Final Fantasy 7, and Crash Bandicoot on my iPhone. That was the entire thing I loved about the PSP what that I could play my classics on the go whenever I wanted. Now that android is getting that capability and not the iPhone - I don't know how long I'm going to stay with Apple now. I'll wait to see how PS-Suite turns out and how well it runs on most of the Android phones and reserve my judgment calls till then.
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Sony isn't being butthurt. It prevents them from putting anything on sale in the App store even if they wanted to. I wouldn't call that being butthurt at all.
Well, I dispute that some. It prevents them from releasing one app (an emu) and selling a bunch of content (the games) with little to no extra effort, sure. But they can engineer a way to compile each game+emu together into a native app, if they so chose. Not ideal for Sony, I grant you...but neither are they 100% prevented from releasing their games on the iPhone, if it means that much to them.

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That's called Apple loosing out big time because now Android users (cross platforms mind you too) get all the PSX classics like Crash Bandicoot and all those all time favorites that were simply some of the greatest games to grace this earth. It's a big loss for Apple because of a tiny and rather stupid rule.
Well, I also disagree that the rule is tiny (it's actually big, just ask Adobe) and stupid (that's debatable). But I do agree that both parties would benefit if they could get the games published.
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Oh boy, this is fail.



Yeah, I love over paying for electronics too.
I get to play before I pay and they have a nice no-question return policy that doesn't cost me restocking or shipping charges and I can walk in and immediately get a refund.

I guess I'll have to point out the glaringly obvious... they're a retail chain, they have massive bills they need to pay that your hole-in-the-wall e-retailer can avoid. It's not like I'm hurting for every little saved penny from an allowance or anything.

I'll also buy my plasma tv from them if I can't get it at Fry's. I don't think I would be brave enough to buy a TV sight-unseen from Amazon or Newegg and have to deal with shipping and waiting if there's a problem.

That being said, I usually shop at Fry's Electronics.

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I'll also buy my plasma tv from them if I can't get it at Fry's. I don't think I would be brave enough to buy a TV sight-unseen from Amazon or Newegg and have to deal with shipping and waiting if there's a problem.
Same here, I bought an LCD TV from Wal-Mart.com just because I could return it to the local Wal-Mart if there was a problem (and for some reason, it was cheaper online than in-store). And boy, was there a problem...FedEx delivered it basically smashed. But Wal-Mart exchanged it that day with an in-stock item without a fuss.

There are lots of things I will buy online sight-unseen, but not things that will be a royal pain to send back if needed.
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Same here, I bought an LCD TV from Wal-Mart.com just because I could return it to the local Wal-Mart if there was a problem (and for some reason, it was cheaper online than in-store). And boy, was there a problem...FedEx delivered it basically smashed. But Wal-Mart exchanged it that day with an in-stock item without a fuss.

There are lots of things I will buy online sight-unseen, but not things that will be a royal pain to send back if needed.
Exactly.

And there are also some things I don't want to wait for... little items that you'd only save a buck or two on that you kinda need immediately and for that amazing "I just gotta have it now" impulse buy.

Sometimes the convenience of just getting what you want, when you want without going through a lot of hassle or waiting is worth the extra money you'll spend.

And again, I live relatively close to Fry's, so even components are usually best purchased there, especially when there's a good deal that even online retailers can't touch.
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