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I can't believe they used Raid-5 as a downer. Raid 1 and 0 are great for nearly anything the client user is going to use. Save those options for servers. If anything, the feature is not what they should be looking at, but rather the performance. Intel's raid controller is significantly better then whatever AMD is using now.

Furthermore, the 3rd party ethernet isn't too much to worry about. Realtek does pretty fine.
Enterprise servers don't use onboard RAID5 solution.

RAID5 is probably more useful for home users than RAID1. You use RAID1 for OS/App drives but RAID5 is cheaper for data/media drives.

Realtek NICs suck.
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RAID5 is probably more useful for home users than RAID1. You use RAID1 for OS/App drives but RAID5 is cheaper for data/media drives.
We can always hope for a round 2 of chipsets

Though on a more or less serious note; how many people actually implement a RAID 5 array, in their HTPC no less.

In the years ahead it may be something we see (as people, the longer computers go on, are getting more educated about matter.) Though most people don't know RAID 5 exists or what the Pros/Cons are.
Let alone, know if their chipset can implement it.

Most people are going to be concerned with RAID 1 or RAID 0

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Realtek NICs suck.
While that's true; how many users actually know the difference.
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We can always hope for a round 2 of chipsets

Though on a more or less serious note; how many people actually implement a RAID 5 array, in their HTPC no less.

In the years ahead it may be something we see (as people, the longer computers go on, are getting more educated about matter.) Though most people don't know RAID 5 exists or what the Pros/Cons are.
Let alone, know if their chipset can implement it.

Most people are going to be concerned with RAID 1 or RAID 0


While that's true; how many users actually know the difference.
Yeah, but AMD historically has trailed with storage controllers....

AMD drivers still do not pass SMART values.
AMD storage controller performance trails Intel. This is going to be a bigger issue as SSDs get faster.


There's no new media formats on the horizon.... so disk size and price/size are increasing rapidly enough that RAID5 may not be needed.
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AMD drivers still do not pass SMART values.


I have the AMD ACHI drivers installed and my SSD passes along SMART tables. (not sig-rig obviously.)

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AMD storage controller performance trails Intel. This is going to be a bigger issue as SSDs get faster.
This is a bigger concern for me and the masses, then RAID 5 is; AMD needs to step it up in the I/O performance of their SATA channels.


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There's no new media formats on the horizon.... so disk size and price/size are increasing rapidly enough that RAID5 may not be needed.
Well right now a 1TB drive is roughly, $60; with that fact: to implement a RAID 5 array you need to invest around $180 (not including shipping & handling) on the best price/performance/size vector to drive a RAID 5 array.

Not many people are going to go that route. Even if they have RAID 5 available and knew what it was capable of.
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Amd has always made a better chipset than Intel.
Only in IGPs, the rest has usually been lackluster compared to Intel.
    
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The problem with RAID5 is that it was designed in the days when 9GB drives were large. With today's 1 and 2TB drives, the time to rebuild an array after a drive failure is so long the chances are high a second drive will fail while array is still rebuilding. If that happens, you better hope you have a recent backup because all data on the array is lost.

These days, everyone in the enterprise uses at least RAID6, which can tolerate two failed drives at a time. For home users, where RAID6 often isn't an option (I use Linux software RAID6 for my home server to good effect), your data will be much safer if you forgo RAID5 and use RAID1+0, which can also tolerate two failed drives (although not just any two) at a time.

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Enterprise servers don't use onboard RAID5 solution.

RAID5 is probably more useful for home users than RAID1. You use RAID1 for OS/App drives but RAID5 is cheaper for data/media drives.

Realtek NICs suck.
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There was an article on AMD chipsets about how there was all sorts of fan-controlling programs/utilities built into the chipset but no board makers used it. Where did I see that article at..........arrrrg.
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post #38 of 39
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As others said, that's what add-on chips are for.

Generally speaking; an add-on chip can be better as well.
INDEED, I'll take an add-on over onboard, that way I get tech support & when it goes out I simply replace, there is no replacing onboard NIC... I'd like to see you RMA an Onboard NIC lolz.... I don't want to have to do without my board that long, no thanks!

Epic Win for AMD!

(I'm glad I picked up 20 NIC Cards at a garage sale now, only paid $40!)
====================

I notice everyone is quick to point out what AMD doesn't have on their chip....

But wait, did anyone say anything about the glaring failures or missing elements on sandy bridge?

Oh no, let's just bash AMD....

Whatever, Cougar Point + Missing Features + Missing Instruction Sets...

Need I continue?
Edited by _GTech - 2/17/11 at 4:03pm
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I was actually speaking about add-on "chips" like what all boards use (IE: Realtek)

Though I personally use a Broadcom NetXtreme II
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