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Answer these questions:
How big is the OS? [5-15GB]
What pieces of software would benefit most from SSD? [every day applications, Photoshop, integrated development environments, etc]
Would they fit on a 60GB SSD? [Yes]
Do most people need more than 30-40GB of SSD to benefit? [No]

So how is strategically and optimally utilizing storage silly?
If you're going to be buying a new storage device it's a lot more convenient to be able to completely replace the old one. If you were buying a new GPU or CPU that was better that your current one you would remove the old one, it would kind of suck to have to use your old CPU as well as your new one.
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post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Answer these questions:
How big is the OS? [5-15GB]
What pieces of software would benefit most from SSD? [every day applications, Photoshop, integrated development environments, etc]
Would they fit on a 60GB SSD? [Yes]
Do most people need more than 30-40GB of SSD to benefit? [No]

So how is strategically and optimally utilizing storage silly?
totally agree here. I have windows 7 and WoW on my SSD's and the rest of my stuff on my RAID5 array, works great and i only have 59.5GB formatted and i do just fine

SSD made such a huge difference in just general windows usage, made everything so much more snappy. And WoW benefited from it for sure
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While I've love to see the capacity doubled and prices kept the same or lowered, I will say that having (and loving) my Intel 160 GB has forced me to prioritize a bit and not just keep "worthless" stuff on my boot drive. The only reason I wish it had more space is for several large game installs that I'm going between lately. For basic OS and such, a 40-60 GB would probably suffice (OS+Paging+Buffer), but if you use any space or performance apps, that's a hard number to gauge and is dependant on each user.

Windows 7 here for me is 17 GB +4 GB for XP install so yeah.

But hey, to each his own. If you want a 400GB SSD, be prepared to wait a bit. If you can work your data to fit a smaller footprint, great.

Now to counter the person above, now that I've had a chance to demo WoW, but not enough SSD space for it, it seems to still run insanely well even on my data drive (a 1.5 TB WD Black w/32 MB cache). Any area where I could tell the difference between HDD / SSD for that?
Edited by The-Real-Link - 2/15/11 at 1:34pm
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If you're going to be buying a new storage device it's a lot more convenient to be able to completely replace the old one. If you were buying a new GPU or CPU that was better that your current one you would remove the old one, it would kind of suck to have to use your old CPU as well as your new one.


It would be like buying a new video card and using the old one for PhysX. The two parts compliment each other, and by delegating jobs to specialized components, performance is improved.

Or like buying a new CPU and using the old one as a media server. Your new computer won't be slowed down by your neighbors browsing your movies and music . . . performance is improved.
post #45 of 56
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I agree with the others here. 32, 64, and 80gb SSDs just aren't enough. Hell, 200 isn't enough.
That comes from a misunderstanding of SSD technology. SSDs are fast for loading - but are terrible at any process that requires random write operations. For instance, they are good for say, loading an OS - but not very good for databases that require frequent changes and edits.

Most desktop systems would benefit from a combo, an SSD for the core of the system, and an HDD for mass storage, libraries, and scratchpad operations. SSDs have very real limits when it comes to write cycles, and are more difficult to optimize - while HDDs are not so encumbered.

As for size - it can be argued that even a 400GB SSD is not large enough, not when regular drives are in ther 1-2TB range, and enterprise will be adopting the new 24TB drives that have recently been brought to the market...
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While I've love to see the capacity doubled and prices kept the same or lowered, I will say that having (and loving) my Intel 160 GB has forced me to prioritize a bit and not just keep "worthless" stuff on my boot drive. The only reason I wish it had more space is for several large game installs that I'm going between lately. For basic OS and such, a 40-60 GB would probably suffice (OS+Paging+Buffer), but if you use any space or performance apps, that's a hard number to gauge and is dependant on each user.

Windows 7 here for me is 17 GB +4 GB for XP install so yeah.

But hey, to each his own. If you want a 400GB SSD, be prepared to wait a bit. If you can work your data to fit a smaller footprint, great.

Now to counter the person above, now that I've had a chance to demo WoW, but not enough SSD space for it, it seems to still run insanely well even on my data drive (a 1.5 TB WD Black w/32 MB cache). Any area where I could tell the difference between HDD / SSD for that?
my loading times have been dramatically reduced in wow, it feels painfully slow on my laptop (which is no slouch)
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post #47 of 56
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Why would you have a 16GB paging file? Unless you are doing some intensive modeling or simulations, people don't need 16GB paging.

Why do you have to install games on a SSD? Most games (there are excepts like WoW) require sequential reads during the load process.

What are the top ten applications (other than games) you use? A browser, a productivity suite, 1-2 IDEs, benchmark applications, media players, etc..... for the vast majority of people, these all will fit on a 60GB SSD. There's no need to move files around.

Your RAID... did you create a seperate partition for OS/apps, games, and media?

SLC really is much more expensive so eMLC is good enough for many usages.
I can understand that my usage may be on the higher side than normal. If a 80GB SSD suits you that's great.
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disappointed that the -V's are still only going to be 40GB
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Any area where I could tell the difference between HDD / SSD for that?
Dalaran on a friday evening.
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That comes from a misunderstanding of SSD technology. SSDs are fast for loading - but are terrible at any process that requires random write operations. For instance, they are good for say, loading an OS - but not very good for databases that require frequent changes and edits.

Most desktop systems would benefit from a combo, an SSD for the core of the system, and an HDD for mass storage, libraries, and scratchpad operations. SSDs have very real limits when it comes to write cycles, and are more difficult to optimize - while HDDs are not so encumbered.

As for size - it can be argued that even a 400GB SSD is not large enough, not when regular drives are in ther 1-2TB range, and enterprise will be adopting the new 24TB drives that have recently been brought to the market...
lol? SSDs are better than HDDs...but they are so expensive that you need to priorize where to use them, thats all.

I have an Intel G2 80GB and yes, at the beginning is annyoing...but in the end you manage to put the staff you use daily on the SSD and forget about the other.

For games...I still haven't found any single difference, and I tried most of the games I have. Yeah, lower loading times...but that is not enough for me to pay for another SSD just for gaming. Now, if we talk about wether the computer usage improved...its PHANTASTIC. Jeeez, I wish I had bought it before...now I don't think I could own a SSD and not put it an SSD in.
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