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I can't vouch for any of the other names on that list, but ours are still 34nm NAND.
Good to know. As long as performance is at least close to the original Vertex 2, that's probably what I'll be buying then. wink.gif
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really? Tom still own his part? That is pretty cool.

yea it was Lee M.

All i know is that Mushkin really was/is one company that has great customer service and quality. At least in the SSD/RAM market, i haven't used any of your PSUs or anything else you guys sell.

Hopefully by then, the NAND tech will be better.
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post #33 of 65
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You cannot discern what Nand is on a drive from the package. It would be down to individual runs by serial number, etc. We still have 34nm so there is a mix of 25 and 34 coming out of the factory.
OCZ rep, when **** hit the fan on NCIX.
But yeah, feel bad for those who didnt know and got the 25's :/
post #34 of 65
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Good to know. As long as performance is at least close to the original Vertex 2, that's probably what I'll be buying then.
It should be identical. Same controller. Not sure what NAND they used, but ours are rated for 285/275 R/W (280/270 on the 40GB), 50K IOPS, and 5K PE cycles.

Only density we are currently out of at NewEgg is the 90, and those should be there soon. If you have another retailer of choice, let me know and I'll see about getting them some.

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really? Tom still own his part? That is pretty cool.

yea it was Lee M.

All i know is that Mushkin really was/is one company that has great customer service and quality. At least in the SSD/RAM market, i haven't used any of your PSUs or anything else you guys sell.

Hopefully by then, the NAND tech will be better.
Yep! Lee M. moved on. I still hang out with him some, as we were neighbors up until recently.

The customer service over here is one of the (many) aspects I love about this company. Our support may not be the fastest in the world, but we will always do our best to help out a customer.

Our new PSU line is solid. They just became available last week. I have a 600W Volta in my machine at home and haven't had an issue in 2 years.
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Well this sucks. I just had two more delivered from the egg this morning to add to the raid array. Not too keen on mixing the 2 together need to check them when I get home , but Im pretty annoyed as I saw the two different 120GB vertex II versions and *SPECIFICALLY* bought the same ones I already had for a reason....

I call bait and switch and they got caught.
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It should be identical. Same controller. Not sure what NAND they used, but ours are rated for 285/275 R/W (280/270 on the 40GB), 50K IOPS, and 5K PE cycles.

Only density we are currently out of at NewEgg is the 90, and those should be there soon. If you have another retailer of choice, let me know and I'll see about getting them some.
Perfect, thanks. This is also confirmed by some 3rd party websites I've been reading through - that there should be little to no difference in performance between the two.

Newegg is definitely my retailer of choice, thanks for asking.

Only 5K PE cycles though? Is that the same as 10k read/write cycles, since a PE includes both? Or is the lifetime truly half that of most other SSDs? Also, if I go over the 5K PE cycle limit, does it void the warranty? Or could I return it for a "fresh" drive? I'm more just curious about this than it making a difference in my purchasing decision, as I imagine all SSD manufacturers probably have similar statements with regards to this.

I wonder why all the praise for the Vertex 2 then? Was it just because it was the first drive to come out with the SF controller?
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Perfect, thanks. This is also confirmed by some 3rd party websites I've been reading through - that there should be little to no difference in performance between the two.

Newegg is definitely my retailer of choice, thanks for asking.

Only 5K PE cycles though? Is that the same as 10k read/write cycles, since a PE includes both? Or is the lifetime truly half that of most other SSDs? Also, if I go over the 5K PE cycle limit, does it void the warranty? Or could I return it for a "fresh" drive? I'm more just curious about this than it making a difference in my purchasing decision, as I imagine all SSD manufacturers probably have similar statements with regards to this.

I wonder why all the praise for the Vertex 2 then? Was it just because it was the first drive to come out with the SF controller?
Glad I could help

That 5K is per cell. 10K was on 50nm NAND (back when we did Indilinx drives). A PE is a erase/write cycle.

One thing to remember is SF controllers have several futures including wear leveling to help out. Realistically, even at 25nm NAND, you'll probably be replacing the drive solely because it is outdated before it's actually worn out.

Unless you are running your drive in some sort of hyperactive database server (at which point you need to be looking SLC NAND), you shouldn't need to return your drive due to wear before the warranty is up anyway.

As far as the hype, I think some of it is just that OCZ made a big Marketing push. They have a lot invested in their SSD's doing well, whereas we still do Memory, Power Supplies, Thumb Drives, and Solid-State. OCZ is out of the memory game now, so SSD is really their focus.
Edited by MushkinNick - 2/18/11 at 4:16pm
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Just to confirm:

NEWEGG is selling the 25nm drives. I opened and tested both of the new drives and they are formatted capacity of 107GB not 111G and have horrible (by SF SSD standards) write performance in AS SSD benchmark of 77MB/s




I specifically ordered the *exact same* model number to ensure matching drives in my Raid array to the two I already had and paid for overnight shipping to do a rebuild this weekend. To say I am annoyed would be an understatement as I now have to RMA these drives, ship them to OCZ wait for them to receive them and ship me the CORRECT drives I already paid for.

OCZ your not making ppl happy at all

Losing 16GB of storage in a 4 drive Raid 0 array and mixed performance on write *especially* 4K is not the way to win customer loyalty.......




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post #40 of 65
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Glad I could help

That 5K is per cell. 10K was on 50nm NAND (back when we did Indilinx drives). A PE is a erase/write cycle.

One thing to remember is SF controllers have several futures including wear leveling to help out. Realistically, even at 25nm NAND, you'll probably be replacing the drive solely because it is outdated before it's actually worn out.

Unless you are running your drive in some sort of hyperactive database server (at which point you need to be looking SLC NAND), you shouldn't need to return your drive due to wear before the warranty is up anyway.

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Good to know, thanks.

It is for a gameserver, but with my level of usage, I think I can expect around 4.5 years of life. Even if I get 1 year, that'd be my money's worth. If it doesn't end up being satisfactory, I'll go SLC, but I really don't think I'll have to. I just want the fastest drive available that could handle not being TRIM'd. I think I found my drive.
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