Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › How isnt Steam getting sued for being a monopoly?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

How isnt Steam getting sued for being a monopoly? - Page 2

post #11 of 37
Steam makes pc gaming 10x easier.
post #12 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by BinaryDemon View Post
I completely agree. I'm just worried Steam is going to find themselves in a similar situation to Intel or MS, being sued for billions of dollars.
I see what you are saying, they were the first main Digital Distribution service around, I have known about Steam since before HL2's big release, but they are not the ONLY distro service available. To be honest, the other stuff looks shady compared to Steam, so does Games for Windows (which now does digital distribution.)

Don't forget that Valve is a privately owned company, there is no public trading, so they fall into their own rules and regulations, while they are not immune from monopoly laws, they don't really match any criteria of being one.

The basic wiki definition of monopoly: "exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it."

There are VERY few titles on Steam that require ONLINE only downloads, and physical media can be order for all their titles via game store or via customer support @ STEAM. For the most part though, those titles are done through partnership with STEAM as a form of DRM.

Because of the versatility of STEAM, one can't really consider a STEAM only game to be monopoly either, as it is written in the TOS or EULA that you agree to when installing, purchasing, or gifting a title.

As for the other titles, they can be quite readily purchased from competitors such as GFWL or D2D, or physical copies from Walmart, Gamestop, and Amazon etc. Even STEAM powered titles can be purchased from other re-sellers and distributors. A basic monopoly is when buyers are many, and sellers are very few, and thats not really the case, in any form. For the most part they also remain highly competitive on software prices, excluding other companies sales, or even not taking in their wacky crazy sale sprees. There is always that one, really over priced title, that everyone is going, serious? I remember Call of Duty 4: MW being 49.99 even up till ModernWarfare 2 released, and then a month or so into it, still $50 bucks. Meanwhile, you could have gotten it on the Amaz, Walmart, Gamestop, for the a-typical price falling, 39.99 to 29.99 to 19.99 to 9.99 in a bargain bin somewhere.

STEAM follows more along the category of "Oligopoly" of online distribution of video games. Because of its head start, popularity/consumer base, and "closed door deals with developers", it really dwarfs the competition both in popularity and features. STEAM directly influences this entire market of gaming, and therefore does fit into an Oligopoly. Does it stifle competition with cut-throat business tactics though? Not really. Does it hurt consumers? Nope. Are you forced to buy through STEAM? Some titles yes, but for the most part no. That part is the only thing they might be considered guilty, however, they price these titles competitively, provide all the features that they support on other titles, AND have written agreements between development to support that title, to ensure constant functionality between STEAM, the game, and the patron's hardware.

If anything, STEAM deserve a pat on the back for a job well done. Its evolved to a service I standby today, but was a service I was extremely hesitant about in the past.
Edited by RagingCain - 2/16/11 at 4:44am
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 37
Quote:
first main Digital Distribution
no they didnt. steam wasnt the first one to do digital distribution of games!
post #14 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by prznar1 View Post
no they didnt. steam wasnt the first one to do digital distribution of games!
You are missing out a huge key word.

Edit:
Checking some dates, public beta [STEAM] started in 2002, with official release in Sep 03.

D2D launched in 2004.

GFWL launched in 2007.
Edited by RagingCain - 2/16/11 at 4:52am
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 37
how steam could be the main digital distributor while they were small as the stardocks digital shop was small to, and all digital distribution was just like sci fi thing... They had just huge luck with epic game.
Edited by prznar1 - 2/16/11 at 4:59am
post #16 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by prznar1 View Post
how steam could be the main digital distributor while they were small as the stardocks digital shop was small to and all digital distribution was just like sci fi thing... They had just huge luck with epic game.
Uh... not sure what you meant.

Every company starts small, got to start from somewhere right?

The only thing you could get at the start was CS 1.6, and that was free if you had HL. The whole point was so they can patch everyone at once, and to test the distribution service all together. Mods were the only thing really available at first. A couple of indie games too, and that was it.
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 37
so how steam was the main digital distributor at start? they were just a small thing comaperd to -not-so-big-either- stardocks digital shop. it builded its position over the years but steam and valve were just lucky with epic games. hl quickly gained the popularity as the cs did to stardocks games werent that popular so they just failed the battle at start.
post #18 of 37
Don't see how they're a monopoly. There are plenty of other digital download sites that are successful. Most either copy or undercut Steam deals too.
Wingman Fuzzi
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.6GHz 1.37v Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3 Zotac GTX 680 @ 1215/3005MHz (347.09) 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Savage 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 120GB + 850 1TB + Intel 520 240GB Samsung F3 1TB Thermalright Venomous X w/ FM122 Windows 7 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2312HM 1920x1080 @ 60Hz Ducky Shine II (Blues w/ White Backlight) Corsair HX 620W Fractal Design XL (Black Pearl) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
MX518 Steelseries QcK+ Creative X-FI Xtreme Music Sennheiser HD598 
  hide details  
Reply
Wingman Fuzzi
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.6GHz 1.37v Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3 Zotac GTX 680 @ 1215/3005MHz (347.09) 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Savage 1866Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 120GB + 850 1TB + Intel 520 240GB Samsung F3 1TB Thermalright Venomous X w/ FM122 Windows 7 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2312HM 1920x1080 @ 60Hz Ducky Shine II (Blues w/ White Backlight) Corsair HX 620W Fractal Design XL (Black Pearl) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
MX518 Steelseries QcK+ Creative X-FI Xtreme Music Sennheiser HD598 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 37
You probably are thinking of predatory pricing to drive out competition, therefore becoming the only game in business. Well, obviously that hasn't happened so there's no monopolizing going on. Also, if I'm not mistaken it's the developers who participate and grant these special sales.
Cherry Popper
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 870 Asus P7P55D-E Pro 1GB GTX 460 SLi G.skill Ripjaw 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint 1TB/320GB/Corsair SDD 32GB 24x CD/DVD Win 7 64bit 25" HP 2509m 3ms (GTG) 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX750W SilverStone FT02B-W Logitech G700 & Logitech M510 
  hide details  
Reply
Cherry Popper
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 870 Asus P7P55D-E Pro 1GB GTX 460 SLi G.skill Ripjaw 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung Spinpoint 1TB/320GB/Corsair SDD 32GB 24x CD/DVD Win 7 64bit 25" HP 2509m 3ms (GTG) 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX750W SilverStone FT02B-W Logitech G700 & Logitech M510 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by prznar1 View Post
so how steam was the main digital distributor at start? they were just a small thing comaperd to -not-so-big-either- stardocks digital shop. it builded its position over the years but steam and valve were just lucky with epic games. hl quickly gained the popularity as the cs did to stardocks games werent that popular so they just failed the battle at start.
I think you might be confused. Nobody said STEAM was a main digital distributor at the start, but they were one of the first around and got to the top. They are probably the main digital distributor now, but officially its hard to tell with numbers since their books are non-disclosed, but their estimated sales are very profitable.

Stardocks also started their pay per month/year subscription service in 2003, it fell through, and then tried the pay per game service in 2004. Then Impulse in 2008, which is supposed to compete with STEAM. As far as I can tell, they were never mainstream, they haven't really succeeded like any of the other services I have mentioned.

I am not sure what Half-Life 2 has to do with it, most people purchased that in a store at launch. It was however the first major launch title that was fully integrated with STEAM. Mainstream titles and desirable content and reasonable prices is what Steam seems to do. Why would you not sell games on your service that are "epic?"
Edited by RagingCain - 2/16/11 at 7:21am
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
Snowdevil
(16 items)
 
ASUS G750JM
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
Monitor
1920x1080 TN 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › How isnt Steam getting sued for being a monopoly?