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Hey guys I am trying to get the best performance I can out of my harddrives so I have a few questions.
First off today I have been reading posts about fat32 and NTFS. How can I tell which my harddrives are formated in and which is better? Can I change it?
Also I was reading about defragmenting your drives and checking for disk errors. It seems like a lot of you use other programs besides the defragger in windows 7. Is it not that great? Do you recommend checking for disk errors? If so, how often?


I have one 750gb hard drive (the one in my sig) and just got a new 2tb seagate LP for data.

Lastly, I want to reformat windows (it has been about 8 months) and was wondering if I can just partition the drive it is on now (750gb) into OS and other files or do I need to backup everything I want to keep and then reformat windows and this time make a partition for just the OS?

Any other suggestions for improving performance are welcome! thank you!
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Your disk is in NTFS.

Just use the Windows 7 Defrag.

Always keep your OS/app in a seperation partition from your data/media. It can improve performance while also making it easier to reformat.
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Your disk is in NTFS.

Just use the Windows 7 Defrag.

Always keep your OS/app in a seperation partition from your data/media. It can improve performance while also making it easier to reformat.
Alright.. now what if I have an older external hdd... i think it gives the option to change it.. should I?

Also my windows 7 is scheduled weekly but I just did it manually when everything was done it still says 0% fregmented.

I know I should have had seperate paritions with I first started but can i do it now or I have to backup and then do it once I reformat?
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Hey guys I am trying to get the best performance I can out of my harddrives so I have a few questions.
First off today I have been reading posts about fat32 and NTFS. How can I tell which my harddrives are formated in and which is better? Can I change it?
Here is a site with a chart that shows all the differences between fat32, ntfs, etc. Basically, NTFS has better security, compression, fault tolerance, etc. NTFS is the standard modern windows file structure.

http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

I believe you can change from FAT to NTFS easily, but not the other way around. I believe you can also check by right clicking the drive and entering properties, or checking in windows disk management.

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Also I was reading about defragmenting your drives and checking for disk errors. It seems like a lot of you use other programs besides the defragger in windows 7. Is it not that great? Do you recommend checking for disk errors? If so, how often?
I use Piriform defraggler, but there are more full featured and faster defrag apps out there. Honestly, the built in windows defragger is fine for most anyone.

I check for disk errors when I get a drive, or when I sense a problem. You can view SMART data for hard drives with applications like Speedfan (unless you have a RAID array) which will give you indications if there are problems. Generally though, I don't scan just for the heck of it. The built in windows chkdsk is all I use.

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Lastly, I want to reformat windows (it has been about 8 months) and was wondering if I can just partition the drive it is on now (750gb) into OS and other files or do I need to backup everything I want to keep and then reformat windows and this time make a partition for just the OS?
To make a new partition with your programs, you'll need to reinstall them. Almost every one has registry values that point to the drive they are on now, you'll break that if you try to move them.

You can shrink the current partition in disk management (there are some tricks to this one) and then make a new partition out of the shrunk space. Just uninstall and reinstall your programs and tell them to install to this new drive.

Or (what I would do) you could backup your personal data and boot using the windows installation CD. You can delete all partitions you don't want, repartition them like you want, and install windows to one. When you are done installing the OS you can start installing your programs and tell them to go to the special programs partition you created.

I hope that made sense and helped.
    
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Here is a site with a chart that shows all the differences between fat32, ntfs, etc. Basically, NTFS has better security, compression, fault tolerance, etc. NTFS is the standard modern windows file structure.

http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

I believe you can change from FAT to NTFS easily, but not the other way around. I believe you can also check by right clicking the drive and entering properties, or checking in windows disk management.



I use Piriform defraggler, but there are more full featured and faster defrag apps out there. Honestly, the built in windows defragger is fine for most anyone.

I check for disk errors when I get a drive, or when I sense a problem. You can view SMART data for hard drives with applications like Speedfan (unless you have a RAID array) which will give you indications if there are problems. Generally though, I don't scan just for the heck of it. The built in windows chkdsk is all I use.



To make a new partition with your programs, you'll need to reinstall them. Almost every one has registry values that point to the drive they are on now, you'll break that if you try to move them.

You can shrink the current partition in disk management (there are some tricks to this one) and then make a new partition out of the shrunk space. Just uninstall and reinstall your programs and tell them to install to this new drive.

Or (what I would do) you could backup your personal data and boot using the windows installation CD. You can delete all partitions you don't want, repartition them like you want, and install windows to one. When you are done installing the OS you can start installing your programs and tell them to go to the special programs partition you created.

I hope that made sense and helped.
Helped a lot! thank you... few questions though...
You said you would do method 2. So do I have to remember all the programs I want to reinstall or would they be on the new parition and I just have to install again? Also my new data drive won't be affected?
Hope that question made sense..

My other question is my hard drives are in IDE mode I am pretty sure. Isn't AHCI better? can i change this with the new windows install?
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I assume you want to move you movies, music, etc onto the 2tb drive and reinstall windows. After all your data is moved (not programs), I would use the windows installation disc to format the 750gb drive and make it into two partitions.

I use a ~40gb partition for win7, and make the rest my programs partition. Make sure you don't install programs to your windows partition, or you will start to run low on space. 40gb is fairly lenient, but I watch what I install.

Windows 7 may force you to create a 100mb system partition. You can easily get around that by reading "method 3" here.

You will need to know what programs to reinstall, and where to get them. You'll need any original discs and keys that are required for purchased software, etc. if they are required to reinstall. You will only end up with a fresh copy of windows on c:\\, an empty programs drive and your files on the 2tb, no programs.

Don't forget things like your bookmarks. Really think about your files before formatting.
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I assume you want to move you movies, music, etc onto the 2tb drive and reinstall windows. After all your data is moved (not programs), I would use the windows installation disc to format the 750gb drive and make into two partitions.

I use a ~40gb partition for win7, and make the rest my programs partition.

You will have nothing but your data on the 2tb drive, and will need to know what programs to reinstall, and where to get them. You'll need any original discs and keys that are required for purchased software, etc.
Alright thank you! would you recommend a partition for OS/Programs/Games or is it just better to have two? I have a few games from steam. Do I just loggin and I can reinstall them all that way?

Doing this will not affect the data on the 2tb drive correct?

What about the ahci question?
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I assume you want to move you movies, music, etc onto the 2tb drive and reinstall windows. After all your data is moved (not programs), I would use the windows installation disc to format the 750gb drive and make it into two partitions.

I use a ~40gb partition for win7, and make the rest my programs partition. Make sure you don't install programs to your windows partition, or you will start to run low on space. 40gb is fairly lenient, but I watch what I install.

Windows 7 may force you to create a 100mb system partition. You can easily get around that by reading "method 3" here.

You will need to know what programs to reinstall, and where to get them. You'll need any original discs and keys that are required for purchased software, etc. if they are required to reinstall. You will only end up with a fresh copy of windows on c:\\, an empty programs drive and your files on the 2tb, no programs.

Don't forget things like your bookmarks. Really think about your files before formatting.
looks like you edited your post! Fast! haha.... the article says this "The 100MB system reserved partition is only available for Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 7 Business and Windows 7 Enterprise editions"
I have windows 7 home so I should be good?
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I just use a partition for the OS, and a partition for programs.

You can back up your entire "steamapps" directory to your 2tb drive. When you reinstall windows, reinstall steam and sign in. Sign back out and close steam, then copy over the steamapps directory on your 2tb drive to the steamapps directory on your programs drive. It will ask if you want to overwrite, say yes and you should be good to go.

When you log into steam, you might have to click on each game and choose "continue updating" and it will immediately show ready to play.

I'm not entirely sure about AHCI to be honest. I think IDE will probably perform just as well for you, but maybe someone has more insight into that than I.

Edit - Yeah sorry for edits. You will be prompted if the system partition will be created.
    
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I just use a partition for the OS, and a partition for programs.

You can back up your entire "steamapps" directory to your 2tb drive. When you reinstall windows, reinstall steam and sign in. Sign back out and close steam, then copy over the steamapps directory on your 2tb drive to the steamapps directory on your programs drive. It will ask if you want to overwrite, say yes and you should be good to go.

When you log into steam, you might have to click on each game and choose "continue updating" and it will immediately show ready to play.

I'm not entirely sure about AHCI to be honest. I think IDE will probably perform just as well for you, but maybe someone has more insight into that than I.

Edit - Yeah sorry for edits. You will be prompted if the system partition will be created.
ok thank you! My last question (I think! for now!) is my GF plays the sims 3 on my computer I think she might kill me if I mess her saved file up (at least with out asking first) is there a way to move this to my 2tb drive ?
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