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The thing about titling it that is that it angles the article purposely against MSI; even though we all know that MSI is bad, this really shouldn't be happening. Besides, not only MSI gets problems.

I will experiment with the wording of the article later today & tomorrow.

Quality > quantity in all cases... I'll have to argue against this. There have been a few quality 4+1 VRM failures in this thread; i.e. 1 BIOSTAR TA890FXE, and 1 GA-890GPA-UD3H. Most cases would probably be true, but "all" would be a big stretch

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The thing about titling it that is that it angles the article purposely against MSI; even though we all know that MSI is bad, this really shouldn't be happening. Besides, not only MSI gets problems.

I will experiment with the wording of the article later today & tomorrow.

Quality > quantity in all cases... I'll have to argue against this. There have been a few quality 4+1 VRM failures in this thread; i.e. 1 BIOSTAR TA890FXE, and 1 GA-890GPA-UD3H. Most cases would probably be true, but "all" would be a big stretch
So because there's one or two exceptions to the rule, that automatically means that those are now bad boards?

I used to honestly really respect you, and found this thread to be quite handy. But you are taking this WAAAAAY too far. If people buy a super cheap board with a crap 4+1 / 3+1 power phase, of COURSE they're doomed for failure. Hurr durr!!!!

But now, claiming that even QUALITY 4+1's are bad? C'mon man! You know better than this.

My Antec TPN came to me DOA (actually popped and smoked on first startup). Does that mean its a bad PSU? No! It means that I was unlucky and got the one faulty part out of however many good ones there were.

There's "something like" a 1/3 chance of a bad component coming to you (DOA or will die shortly after arriving). Live with it. The obvious poor boards are obvious.
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I was just about to ask about the GA-890GPA-UD3H failure because all I can find is one guy saying he killed it, with no details. I don't beleive you would add it to the list just based on that, could you post the full story or point me to it? because I can't find it and have the same board with a 125w hex that I'm overclocking.
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So because there's one or two exceptions to the rule, that automatically means that those are now bad boards?

I used to honestly really respect you, and found this thread to be quite handy. But you are taking this WAAAAAY too far. If people buy a super cheap board with a crap 4+1 / 3+1 power phase, of COURSE they're doomed for failure. Hurr durr!!!!

But now, claiming that even QUALITY 4+1's are bad? C'mon man! You know better than this.

My Antec TPN came to me DOA (actually popped and smoked on first startup). Does that mean its a bad PSU? No! It means that I was unlucky and got the one faulty part out of however many good ones there were.

There's "something like" a 1/3 chance of a bad component coming to you (DOA or will die shortly after arriving). Live with it. The obvious poor boards are obvious.
I think that he might of worded it poorly.

I think we was going for:

Yes, in general 4+1 is bad. BUT, there are notable exceptions, such as the UD3H, 890FXE, (M2RS), etc, which are all really good boards.


I could be wrong though. In my experience, xd has a pretty high opinion of the FXE, UD3H and MXRS boards.
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So because there's one or two exceptions to the rule, that automatically means that those are now bad boards?
I agree. If it's not widespread and only one or two users have it blow up on them, it could be: grounding issue, user error, faulty component, etc...
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Quality 4+1 boards when/if heatsinked are usually fine for overclocks that aren't ridiculous i.e. don't pass 1.55V. However, doesn't necessarily stop a blow up if they're good quality; a few times some quality 4+1 boards have failed - including two of the boards reflex mentioned. On the other hand, I have never once seen an 8+1 or 8+2 power phase fail on any processor so far. Amount of phases/channels/inductors can matter.
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Quality 4+1 boards when/if heatsinked are usually fine for overclocks that aren't ridiculous i.e. don't pass 1.55V. However, doesn't necessarily stop a blow up if they're good quality; a few times some quality 4+1 boards have failed - including two of the boards reflex mentioned. On the other hand, I have never once seen an 8+1 or 8+2 power phase fail on any processor so far. Amount of phases/channels/inductors can matter.
Tator tot had a 870FPE fail on him....

8+2 board.
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An 870FPE? I have never heard of that board before actually, but I think it is MSI. Is this situation recent?
You sure it was the VRMs? (I might confirm this with tator himself actually, he just added me on MSN, stating he would like to talk to me concerning this article. Sticky time?)

By all means, pioneer, I did not say that I'm against those boards, I will continue suggesting them where plausible. A quality 4+1 phase can hold up very well (though I usually recommend to keep below 1.55V). What I meant is that the amount of phases/channels/inductors can indeed matter, so by no means should this factor be ignored in board selection.
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And yea, it was pretty recent. We were talking about it in some news thread.
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Tator tot had a 870FPE fail on him....

8+2 board.
But he is a ginger
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