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What's with all of this cyber terrorism stuff lately?
There are 2 things that drive the markets friend...

FEAR & GREED!

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

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Reset Router = Problem SOLVED....

If any system is down 8 hours the Server / System Admin SUCKS AT HIS JOB!



Edited by _GTech - 2/18/11 at 7:04pm
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...Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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...Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I'm working on a freeze ray, I want to see the broccoli freeze!
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Reset Router = Problem SOLVED....
If any system is down 8 hours the Server / System Admin SUCKS AT HIS JOB!
Are you really going to put those statements together?
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That's what I'm referring to, nothing quite as irritating as performing a dig and not bringing back any valid A records at all.
Yes it is kind of funny when it happens.

Sorry I was trying to be very general for a couple of reasons.
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Mr Mushroom;

[COLOR="Cyan"]The bull**** part of all this is if I do something illegal (such as hack/download) nothing gets done to me. It gets done to the person who's legally ascribed this account. [/COLOR]
Only if the forsenic analyst is incompetent. A properly forsensic review would include a detail inspection and analysis of the owners computer systems to gain a detail understanding and eliminate the possibilities of a hack.
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Mr Mushroom

Go do cable modem research before you talk **** about this, seriously I know how the entire ordeal goes. They can find the hub, that's about it. As I said before, the hub has to be marked (and probably on record) for them to know what house it goes to. .

True but you can also tell based upon the signal strength where the activity orginating from. This would not require a man at the cable hub and can be done at the NOC.

So if you see the cable guy playin with the hub down the street change the damn mac. It's not THAT hard, or change it after you do anything really illegally dumb and stupid

Dont be so sure of that alot of prisoners thought they could not be traced by impersonating an authorized user.

Identity theft and theft of service. Hmm!!!

Be careful, as it is very easy to embed a web bug into a forum post.
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Mr Mushroom

Go do cable modem research before you talk **** about this, seriously I know how the entire ordeal goes. They can find the hub, that's about it. As I said before, the hub has to be marked (and probably on record) for them to know what house it goes to. .

True but you can also tell based upon the signal strength where the activity orginating from. This would not require a man at the cable hub and can be done at the NOC.

So if you see the cable guy playin with the hub down the street change the damn mac. It's not THAT hard, or change it after you do anything really illegally dumb and stupid

Dont be so sure of that alot of prisoners thought they could not be traced by impersonating an authorized user.

Identity theft and theft of service. Hmm!!!

Be careful, as it is very easy to embed a web bug into a forum post.
Yeah, but regardless they have to send a person down to the hub to check it out. That's if they even send a person, usually they will just disrupt service and give them a new modem. It's cheaper, trust me it's a lot cheaper.

I'm well aware that people think they can impersonate somebody and get away with it, hackers get caught plenty of times.

I was mainly getting at the fact that this is all legit and true. People seem to think that the ISP has this all mighty wand* they wave and "poof" it's all known. The fact is, you don't know if a person is cloning you or not. You may never know, as long as the person doesn't download anything illegal (or any illegal activities) there probably won't be anything done. It costs the cable company too much money. Just like people stealin cable TV, they just unhook it around here and tell you "bad". That's even if the person cares, they usually don't even report it. That's mainly because most of the cable techs get crap for free too.

[edit] *removed* The signal strength doesn't tell you where they are, rather how far they "might" be from the hub. That doesn't tell you what house address that the specific port goes to. That's the problem, when construction does these lines they don't mark them so neat. That even assumes they mark it at all, often they don't. So you get a hub that might cover an entire block. However, you don't know how far each specific house is away from the HUB or what port goes where. This is even worse for apartments, they are working blind and have to go to each building to figure it out. Apartments are generally labled well, unfortunately if the labels come off (or get cut off ect...) they don't always get put back on.
Edited by mushroomboy - 2/18/11 at 8:28pm
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I'm well aware about electronic forgery. What was that phone virus that screwed with people? Anyways, I'm well aware that they know WHO is legally assigned to this HFC. However, the ONLY way they can find out who is riding piggy back is to trace back the line. Newer housing might have the hub lines marked, but generally they aren't, so all they can do is tell what hub I'm running off of.

The bull**** part of all this is if I do something illegal (such as hack/download) nothing gets done to me. It gets done to the person who's legally ascribed this account. That's because the only way for them (in most cases, unless when they dropped the lines they were marked) to find out exactly where this line is going is to go to the hub and manually disconnect until I "dissapear". They (generally) won't do that unless they get severe pressure, which this type of scenario might ("breaking the internet").

Honestly, if you know anything about cable modems then you know you can manually set the IP. With a manually set IP and a "fake" HFC their is **** they can do to find out who I am. It's not my account, don't any of you understand that? It's like credit card scamming, you never use your real info. I mean seriously, when did criminals get nice.



Hate to break it to you, but as I explained before.

It's not my account.

It's like identity theft, only a little harder for them to trace back unless I'm actively using that account.



Your right, you don't spoof, it's more like piggy backing. But since that isn't a real term either, I don't really care. How about I say Modem Identity Theft, cause that's a bit more on the point?

The idea is that the ISP sees John Doe online and not me, so when they trace it back they get some random John Doe that had nothing to do with the "DDOS" or hack attempt. It's just as evil as using hotspot wifi to do your illegal activities except you don't have to drive around either marking them on a map or hacking them.

Jesus, you people don't understand that I KNOW how IPs work. What you don't understand is the very little info that a modem (cable) uses to "identify" itself to an ISP.

Code:
HFC XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
Ethernet MAC XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
USB MAC XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
Serial Number 1669XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
It might check, this is a HUGE might:

Vendor
Model
Software Version
Hardware Version
Bootloader Revision

They might do SMNP, but you just set up your own SMNP trap for that.

When the ISP gets the connection they get an IP and the poor smuck's info that is assigned the HFC Mac. You, whoever you choose to be, never has any info leaked to the ISP. They have NO idea of knowing who you are, just that you are using the HFC Mac, and probably the original owner at the same time. They then go "oh, that's not right" and disrupt the service until they can send somebody to fix it. If it checks out nothing happens.

Go do cable modem research before you talk **** about this, seriously I know how the entire ordeal goes. They can find the hub, that's about it. As I said before, the hub has to be marked (and probably on record) for them to know what house it goes to. So if you see the cable guy playin with the hub down the street change the damn mac. It's not THAT hard, or change it after you do anything really illegally dumb and stupid.

[edit] I actually legally have internet now, as of a month ago. =P But yes, I understand how all this goes, and yes I know it's illegal.

[edit2] Generally only the HFC Mac is required. The other info is used by a few ISPs, but they usually don't because of the amount of traffic (people getting disconnected, re-connected, ect..) that happens through accounting. I've actually herd Comcast is so bad that you can use any HFC Mac as long as you have a valid config file. Just manually set up the NTP server to download a config with a "valid" signature/ID and you get on. Yes, security is THAT bad. Probably because of the high demand/maintenance.
That's a little different than the "SMAC makes me anonymous" posts everyone else was saying. Docsis has always been a good laugh.
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That's a little different than the "SMAC makes me anonymous" posts everyone else was saying. Docsis has always been a good laugh.
Well I shouldn't have said spoofing the mac. But essentially you are "spoofing" your mac, though I should have explained what I really ment by it. Because technically you can't "spoof" your HFC Mac, it's supposed to be hard coded into the firmware configuration files. Which of course you can't change unless you use modified software (technically not true, you can change regular firmware but you need to hook it to the jtag every time).

Though yes, DOCSIS has had terrible security for a very long time. I find it actually pretty funny that people don't understand how bad it really is. The problem with a lot of this is that so many companies still have customers with modems that can't do any good security. Not to mention the SB51XX (the most popular model/modem) doesn't even have good security. All it can do is give the information I listed, which can all be changed/"spoofed".

[edit] When I say "The problem with a lot of this is that so many companies still have customers with modems that can't do any good security." I mean the fact that a lot of companies still have to run DOCSIS 1.1 (1.0 technically but I think 1.0 modems can run on a 1.1 network) to support older modems. From what I've herd, moving to DOCSIS 2.0 could have some benefits (proper BPI checking) but is a ways off yet. I bet once DOCSIS 3.0 gets big they will (hopefully) drop DOCSIS 1.1 and run 2.0/3.0 and such. I am hesitant to think that will happen any time soon, money restrictions.

[edit] I re-thought about my worst fear. It's actually that somebody would do this with the guise to steal information. Would be a much better thing than trying to steal money, *** was I smoking (can you smoke cartoons?).
Edited by mushroomboy - 2/18/11 at 10:06pm
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