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1 gb speeds are out there already. 1.4 gb actually.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227581
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Do want.

Consumer version of course, granted it better have similar speeds as the "pro" version.
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Some enterprise workloads could use 500MB/s sequential reads.
He was mostly talking about it from a consumer standpoint, though enterprise hardware can never be too fast. Just at what price are you willing to pay for that speed.

From a consumer standpoint it's nice having the extra speed, but it isn't as a noticeable upgrade for people who already have previous gen SSDs. But this is the same for any technology development even when performance increases are constant through each generation. Genuinely these performance increases start to knee off so a transistion to a new technology or process is required to continue the trend. Even with a continuous trend the gains tend to be less noticeable to an average user. For example, if you were able to improve the response time of a system constantly by 20% after each gen it will get to the point where the difference in response time is negligible (1 micro second improved to 0.8 micro seconds, then to 0.64 micro seconds). With consumers usually being the ones that under utilize the system they are most likely not going to notice the benefits and thus not be satisfied with the result. Marketing then comes in to play hyping the new product in order to keep the sales going.

Of course, there is the other side of the spectrum of people who use new technology for scientific or business purposes that can fully utilize the gains. Even on this side of the spectrum there are limits. And this is without even considering costs which play the largest role.
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He was mostly talking about it from a consumer standpoint, though enterprise hardware can never be too fast. Just at what price are you willing to pay for that speed.

From a consumer standpoint it's nice having the extra speed, but it isn't as a noticeable upgrade for people who already have previous gen SSDs. But this is the same for any technology development even when performance increases are constant through each generation. Genuinely these performance increases start to knee off so a transistion to a new technology or process is required to continue the trend. Even with a continuous trend the gains tend to be less noticeable to an average user. For example, if you were able to improve the response time of a system constantly by 20% after each gen it will get to the point where the difference in response time is negligible (1 micro second improved to 0.8 micro seconds, then to 0.64 micro seconds). With consumers usually being the ones that under utilize the system they are most likely not going to notice the benefits and thus not be satisfied with the result. Marketing then comes in to play hyping the new product in order to keep the sales going.

Of course, there is the other side of the spectrum of people who use new technology for scientific or business purposes that can fully utilize the gains. Even on this side of the spectrum there are limits. And this is without even considering costs which play the largest role.
True... but this performance is only a sign of what is coming. The price of SSD is mostly in the chips. While new controllers have R&D and manufacturering costs, these are relatively fixed. Using an old controller vs a new one makes major real difference in price over time.

Within the next 2-3 year, every popular SSD on the market will be hitting 500MB/s sequential read. Imagine that as being the standard. HDD technology has been gaining maybe 5-10MB/s perfomance year. SSD performance has been gaining like 50-80MB/s year.



ONFI 3.0 Toggle NAND on a 10 channel controller..... woooo!
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ONFI 3.0 Toggle NAND on a 10 channel controller..... woooo!
Newbie alert: What does that mean?
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Newbie alert: What does that mean?

ONFI = Open NAND Flash Alliance. This is the group that defines NAND specifications.

The 2.1 spec put guidelines for 133, 166, and 200MB/s NAND. Imagine what the 3.0 spec will have.

Toggle NAND adds an additional signal to allow NAND to do two operations per cycle (like DDR RAM) while allowing asynchronous operation for performance/power savings.

A SSD is basically a RAID0 or RAID5 of NAND chips. Like RAID, the more independent storage devices there are... the better performance in most cases. Intel uses a 10 channel controller and I believe everyone else uses a 8.


ONFI 3.0 Toggle NAND on a 10 channel controller will be crazy fast.
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ONFI = Open NAND Flash Alliance. This is the group that defines NAND specifications.

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A SSD is basically a RAID0 or RAID5 of NAND chips. Like RAID, the more independent storage devices there are... the better performance in most cases. Intel uses a 10 channel controller and I believe everyone else uses a 8.


ONFI 3.0 Toggle NAND on a 10 channel controller will be crazy fast.
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SATA is a point-to-point connection.... one plug to one plug.
You couldn't have a drive with multiple ports and in essence a raided drive within one enclosure?
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Yeah, but we're still looking at $300+ if you want more than 128GB
500 bucks for 100GB Vertex 3 Pro. That's 5 bucks a gig, which is not worth it, no matter how fast this thing goes.
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Anyone know when these sandforce 2000 SSDs from OCZ will be available for purchase?
Edited by Yor_ - 2/17/11 at 11:23am
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