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Are the Core i3/i5 Dual Cores a FAIL?

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I look at the very nice i5-661, which by all rights is a powerful little chip as it can achieve high overclocks on an Air Cooler, just like the Sandy Bridge CPUs, except the only problem is, it's a dual core...

Intel being too smart for their customers decided to slap a very hefty price tag on their Core i3/i5 Dual Core CPUs which in turn made them a senseless buy for most consumers, despite their overclock-ability & hyper threading performance gains.

If you look at the prices listed below you can see where this article gains validity in view of the cost...

Intel Core i3/i5 Processor Cost:

i3-540 = $123
i3-550 = $130
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i5-650 = $190
i5-661 = $215
i5-680 = $310
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When we start stacking the i3s/i5s vs other Quad Cores or Dual Cores you can see the gross margin of error..

Quad Core i5-760 = $210 (This chip will destroy all i3/i5s in any comparison)
Core 2 Quad Q-8400 = $170
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Core 2 Duo E7500 = $125
Pentium E5500 = $73
Celeron Dual Core E5400 = $54

Despite these i5s & i3s having a GPU inside of the CPU, theses chips are better suited for the Mobile Market where an On-board GPU is primarily used the most. I'm not saying they don't have a use in Desktops, but the price is too substantial to warrant using them over the standard on-board video controller which comes with mATX motherboards. Nevertheless if video is the consumers main concern it would make more sense to buy an entry level or mid-range video card to obtain a substantial gain in performance over the i3/i5 GPUs integrated into the CPU...

Add to the fact that you have to use a more expensive RAM & Motherboard, the cost vs the benefit points to the real reason why I, and possibly many others, think that the i3/i5 Dual Core CPUs are a FAIL...

Just my 2 Cents I suppose...

Do you think the Core i3/i5 Dual Core CPUs are a FAIL too?

Discuss...
Edited by _GTech - 2/17/11 at 8:37am
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I believe they are perfect for notebooks and dell/hp oem desktops. Great for most people but better options out there if you are an enthusiast.
    
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I agree with the Notebook market because of Turbo Boost, which can turn down power usage when at idle, which is a great feature for that platform, without a doubt..

However on the OEM Desktop side, yes, they have always needed a better On-Board video controller, especially when Vista & Windows 7 came along, as Aero just won't let you get away with crappy/cheap video controller, you have to have decent video performance. Though, again, these GPUs inside the CPU in the Core i5/i3s are better suited for the Notebook market, not really the desktop market, as you can just add a video card for less than the cost to pay for the upgrade to an i3/i5 dual core...

Now we have the Sandy Bridge i3/i5 Dual Cores, I need to look at their prices and see if Intel got wise or not...

I still see many of these i3/i5 Dual Cores sitting on the shelves at many computer stores, they just won't sell..
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My father used an i5-650 in his rig... Seems pretty not fail to me. It was on sale at MC for $145 though. smile.gif


And he doesn't overclock either.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _GTech;12420004 
I agree with the Notebook market because of Turbo Boost, which can turn down power usage when at idle, which is a great feature for that platform, without a doubt..

However on the OEM Desktop side, yes, they have always needed a better On-Board video controller, especially when Vista & Windows 7 came along, as Aero just won't let you get away with crappy/cheap video controller, you have to have decent video performance. Though, again, these GPUs inside the CPU in the Core i5/i3s are better suited for the Notebook market, not really the desktop market, as you can just add a video card for less than the cost to pay for the upgrade to an i3/i5 dual core...

Now we have the Sandy Bridge i3/i5 Dual Cores, I need to look at their prices and see if Intel got wise or not...

I still see many of these i3/i5 Dual Cores sitting on the shelves at many computer stores, they just won't sell..


the GPU is strong enough for anything modern(Youtube,Hulu,Netflix,etc.). The i3/i5 can do video encoding pretty well even though they are still duals. So it does make sense for the oem market.

but is the i3/i5 cost effective, hell no like you just said.
    
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Well when I had my i3 530 I paid $99 (which microcenter now sells the i3 550 for). I was able to build a socket 1156 system fairly cheap and hoped to upgrade my cpu later on. The i3's are fun to overclock since you can do 4ghz on the stock cooler without changing voltage much, and as far as comparing to my $87 x2 555 the i3 at 4ghz benches as well or better then my chip now with 4 cores at 3.6ghz.
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I got my i3-550 on sale for about $110 after shipping, those dual core phenom II's go up to around 115 dollars as well mind you. Great little no nonsense chips for folks that don't need $200 chips. No oc'ing at all on the new sandy duals, else I would have opted going that route, would have been nice to play with the new eufi and chipset.
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Whats wrong with the i3s? I've had one and its perfect for gaming. The dual-core i5s may be overpriced but the i3s are fine. Considering how much H55 boards go for, there is no problem :|

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Well when I had my i3 530 I paid $99 (which microcenter now sells the i3 550 for). I was able to build a socket 1156 system fairly cheap and hoped to upgrade my cpu later on. The i3's are fun to overclock since you can do 4ghz on the stock cooler without changing voltage much, and as far as comparing to my $87 x2 555 the i3 at 4ghz benches as well or better then my chip now with 4 cores at 3.6ghz.

If your dual core is beating your quad core your not doing something correct or you got a really crummy quad core...
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The market for those who buy parts individually isn't the biggest, i would say intel gets majority of its revenue in cpu sales from selling bulk to computer manufacture such as Dell HP Levono etc. In such cases most people will buy dual cores due to the average consumer wouldn't see the benefit of using a quad vs dual.

However, with the high price for the cpu itself it is most likely a marketing move to push backstock before releasing newer tech.
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