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Forcing people to upgrade to AM3+ to use Bulldozer just puts more pressure on AMD to deliver.

Worst case is that Bulldozer is not as big as an improvement as everyone hopes so no one bothers upgrading or buying AM3+ motherboards so there's no sales = AMD are behind Intel again.

Best case is that Bulldozer is amazing and sells loads.

Bulldozer has to be a big enough improvement to warrant an upgrade but at the same time has to be faster then Sandy Bridge to stop people moving to Intel to get more performance for there money.

I don't mind having a slower CPU then the Intel guys have because you get what you pay for but it's getting to the point were I want SOME performance for my money.

It could come to point were Bulldozer releases at the same price as Sandy Bridge and performs the same, That would be bad as Sandy overclocks like a *****, Toss in native SLI support as well and the argument to stop with AMD becomes harder and harder.

Bulldozer supposedly working in AM3 motherboards was always a saving grace as it meens little out lay for more performance but that advantage has now been lost.
So if AMD can't regain the price per performance crown that was taken from them with the SB release then they will lose customers. Pretty profound...
Lets wait for some benchmarks before predicting doom and gloom.

And the socket change is not that big of a deal. Not like people would still buy it if it was way behind in $/perf just because of backward compatibility.
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Originally Posted by antuk15 View Post
Forcing people to upgrade to AM3+ to use Bulldozer just puts more pressure on AMD to deliver.

Worst case is that Bulldozer is not as big as an improvement as everyone hopes so no one bothers upgrading or buying AM3+ motherboards so there's no sales = AMD are behind Intel again.
take a look, with intel you will spend more - because of often socket changes..
Socket423 holds record - only 9months lifetime, i think LGA1156 is very close to it
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Best case is that Bulldozer is amazing and sells loads.

Bulldozer has to be a big enough improvement to warrant an upgrade but at the same time has to be faster then Sandy Bridge to stop people moving to Intel to get more performance for there money.
Problem is, people are wanting far bigger performance boost, than from intel chips.
("..i buy AMD only if it has huge performance")

Take a step back, and compare performance details between nehalem and sb.
i see improvements only here :
- much higher OC
- avx support
Nothing exciting about SB vs NH, except these two features..

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It could come to point were Bulldozer releases at the same price as Sandy Bridge and performs the same, That would be bad as Sandy overclocks like a *****, Toss in native SLI support as well and the argument to stop with AMD becomes harder and harder.
ohnoes, sli again..
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/93...l#post12440532
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Bulldozer supposedly working in AM3 motherboards was always a saving grace as it meens little out lay for more performance but that advantage has now been lost.
Would you buy a "older" AM3 board that does support BD, but is limiting his performance ??
i think, no..
    
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Originally Posted by antuk15 View Post
Forcing people to upgrade to AM3+ to use Bulldozer just puts more pressure on AMD to deliver.

Worst case is that Bulldozer is not as big as an improvement as everyone hopes so no one bothers upgrading or buying AM3+ motherboards so there's no sales = AMD are behind Intel again.
What about the people buying ready made systems? Or the one's with old systems who want to change everything? Or people with older Intels? You've got a very blinkered view of the world.

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Best case is that Bulldozer is amazing and sells loads.

Bulldozer has to be a big enough improvement to warrant an upgrade but at the same time has to be faster then Sandy Bridge to stop people moving to Intel to get more performance for there money.
No, it only has to perform well for it's price, the vast majority of users would be perfectly happy with a core 2 duo or phenom II, and if you removed all cpuid info from their systems they wouldn't be able to tell what they had performance wise.

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I don't mind having a slower CPU then the Intel guys have because you get what you pay for but it's getting to the point were I want SOME performance for my money.
Are you basing that on real life tangible, noticable performance, or (as I suspect) on benchmarks? Does it really bother you if your pc opens a .rar 0.003254 secs slower than a similar Intel?

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It could come to point were Bulldozer releases at the same price as Sandy Bridge and performs the same, That would be bad as Sandy overclocks like a *****, Toss in native SLI support as well and the argument to stop with AMD becomes harder and harder.
Given that your so knowlegeable on upcoming unreleased AMD products (that was sarcasm, incase you didn't realise), please enlighten us all on BD's clockspeeds and overclockability, we're all dying to know. (but JF won't tell us!!! )

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Bulldozer supposedly working in AM3 motherboards was always a saving grace as it meens little out lay for more performance but that advantage has now been lost.
If it meant more performance for BD, i'd happily have a completely new socket with no backwards compatibility at all, we've had ~5yrs of compatibility it has to end somewhere, this, with the new architecture, is a perfect time. Of course, if AMD start completely changing sockets every year from now on, then complain.

No reputable source has stated in the last six months that BD would work with AM3, you did the research (LOL), you bought the motherboard, if your now unhappy you only have yourself to blame. If you wan't to buy Intel, fine, I doubt AMD will be crying about it, or did you think they'd halt production and redesign everything so it it works on your board?

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Less than 5% of the market will ever upgrade processors.

Forcing 95%+ of the market to take fewer features or lower performance to accommodate the less than 5% would be a major fail.
^^this^^
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Forcing people to upgrade to AM3+ to use Bulldozer just puts more pressure on AMD to deliver.

Worst case is that Bulldozer is not as big as an improvement as everyone hopes so no one bothers upgrading or buying AM3+ motherboards so there's no sales = AMD are behind Intel again.

Best case is that Bulldozer is amazing and sells loads.

Bulldozer has to be a big enough improvement to warrant an upgrade but at the same time has to be faster then Sandy Bridge to stop people moving to Intel to get more performance for there money.

I don't mind having a slower CPU then the Intel guys have because you get what you pay for but it's getting to the point were I want SOME performance for my money.

It could come to point were Bulldozer releases at the same price as Sandy Bridge and performs the same, That would be bad as Sandy overclocks like a *****, Toss in native SLI support as well and the argument to stop with AMD becomes harder and harder.

Bulldozer supposedly working in AM3 motherboards was always a saving grace as it meens little out lay for more performance but that advantage has now been lost.
How has the advantage been lost they HAVE TO advance their socket eventually as the technology/performance goes forward.

Who's to say you won't get 5 years out of an AM3+ socket it's only you that have bought a premium AM3 board at the 'end of AM3's life' so to speak, not anyone's else's problem.

By the sounds of it AMD is finished oh no!

You don't know anything about AMD obviously just go back to intel like you said and buy a new mobo FOR EVERY BUILD, lol.
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Quoting a playa: "Haters gon' Hate"

Wait for results of BD. Im sure theyre brewing something real good becauset hey are clearly making us wait. This is an assumption. Just like most of the things out there right now.
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Intel is the devil!
Now intel will ban you from using your CPU for 72 hours like EA did to that guy who called them the devil
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Now intel will ban you from using your CPU for 72 hours like EA did to that guy who called them the devil
lol what?

Gimme link, wanna read!
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lol what?

Gimme link, wanna read!
LOL where have you been?
http://kotaku.com/#!5780876/how-sayi...g-a-video-game
They later said it was a mistake and they only meant to ban him from the forums not his game contents
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Guys I dropped £250 notes on this Crosshair 4 Extreme no less then 2 months ago and if Bulldozer doesn't have backwards compatibility like the previous chips have I'm going to be so pisst I'm moving to Intel...

Doing a google search as been no use...

I just want a straight answer
Umm although AM3+ Bulldozer will likely lack backward compatibility with AM3, there will most likely be a Bulldozer chip released for AM3 socket mobos with a downclocked HT bus and a dual channel memory controller instead of triple/quad channel. It will be like the Phenom II X4 940 for AM2+ users, slightly slower to work fully on older socket motherboards. Don't sell your AM3 mobo just yet.
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Guys I dropped £250 notes on this Crosshair 4 Extreme no less then 2 months ago and if Bulldozer doesn't have backwards compatibility like the previous chips have I'm going to be so pisst I'm moving to Intel...

Doing a google search as been no use...

I just want a straight answer
You're going to blame your own lack of research on AMD? You're going to get mad at AMD for keeping things backwards compatible for years - with Intel socket jumping up and down like Oprahs weight?

The AM3+ boards will accept your chip on the bright side.

I bought my board when Bulldozer was announced - at that time they thought it was going to be compatible with the AM3 socket. If you've bought in the last 5 months - or whenever they announced it wouldn't - the fault is yours.

Not AMDs.
    
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