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Hello so i have a few question about my rig that i might be building i did another estimate about another rig i was going to have but now i found that i need to maybe slim it down a bit. i already own graphiccard so i wont be buying a new one untill i baught the other stuff on list. so what im wondering is.

note that i cant get certain memory like G.skill and so on beacuse they dont sell in sweden. or if u know a retailer here and recomend that memory pls tell me


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1. It says this processor only supports 10600 (1333mhz) memory. is that true? wont the 1600mhz memsticks work?

2.What memory do you recommend for this rig? im am going to overclock a little for sure. i have heard there is specific memory for Black edition.

3. for gaming and such would u go for Hexcore processor or go with this quad now that Crysis 2 and BF3 and Diablo 3 is comming out? or should i wait for bulldozer and get the 965 BE?

4. Would u recomend a diffrent motherboard in the same price range?

5.Would the 650 PSU do or shoould i go with the 750?

6.Would u recommend another Cooler?

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My thoughts:

Stay quad, new games rarely use that many cores anyway.
1600 will work. You can get KVR, which is the same performance as KHX, often same OCability too, but usually a bit cheaper.
650W is enough, if good brand/model. If unknown-Get 750W
Asus M4A are perfect boards IMO.
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post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by ronnin426850 View Post
My thoughts:

Stay quad, new games rarely use that many cores anyway.
1600 will work. You can get KVR, which is the same performance as KHX, often same OCability too, but usually a bit cheaper.
650W is enough, if good brand/model. If unknown-Get 750W
Asus M4A are perfect boards IMO.
Okay so staying quad will be fine then. KVR and KHX is that kingston value ram and kingston hyper X or am i wrong?
if im going with a brand psu im gonna go with Corsair TX 650W PSU
ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard. 2x 6+2-pin PCIe, 8x SATA, 120mm Fan.

and i dont know if this is any good brand but otherwise im gonna go with
AXP 750W Power Supply with 140mm Fan

Specs/info:
Independent QUAD 12V Rail-Design: offers unflappable & Clean current delivery under heavy load and provide stable voltage output.

- Over Current Protection
- Over Voltage Protection
- Short Circuit output protection
- Over 80% efficiency
- Titanium Nickel Coated Housing
- 140mm Silent Blue LED Fan with Auto. Temp. Control


Specifikationer
4-pin FDD-connectors: 2
4-pin HDD-connectors: 4
5-pin S-ATA-connectors: 6
6-pin PCIe-connectors: 2
8-pin PCIe-connectors: 2x6+2
Active PFC: No
Dimensions(WxHxD): 140 X 140 X 25 mm mm
EPS12V (8P) yes
Modular: No
Power: 750W W

the 750 is cheaper for me but is it better? sorry about all the noob questions but im new to this with PSUs and very much with memory
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Quote:
Originally Posted by funkyslayer View Post
Okay so staying quad will be fine then. KVR and KHX is that kingston value ram and kingston hyper X or am i wrong?
if im going with a brand psu im gonna go with Corsair TX 650W PSU
ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard. 2x 6+2-pin PCIe, 8x SATA, 120mm Fan.

and i dont know if this is any good brand but otherwise im gonna go with
AXP 750W Power Supply with 140mm Fan

Specs/info:
Independent QUAD 12V Rail-Design: offers unflappable & Clean current delivery under heavy load and provide stable voltage output.

- Over Current Protection
- Over Voltage Protection
- Short Circuit output protection
- Over 80% efficiency
- Titanium Nickel Coated Housing
- 140mm Silent Blue LED Fan with Auto. Temp. Control


Specifikationer
4-pin FDD-connectors: 2
4-pin HDD-connectors: 4
5-pin S-ATA-connectors: 6
6-pin PCIe-connectors: 2
8-pin PCIe-connectors: 2x6+2
Active PFC: No
Dimensions(WxHxD): 140 X 140 X 25 mm mm
EPS12V (8P) yes
Modular: No
Power: 750W W

the 750 is cheaper for me but is it better? sorry about all the noob questions but im new to this with PSUs and very much with memory
Yes, you got it right with the RAM.

About the PSU- I'm not much of an expert, but Don't get a Quad rail PSU with an HD4870.
As far as I know the threshold on each rail of a quad-rail PSU is lower than the threshold of a dual or single-rail PSU.
If all of your components use about the same amounts of power, it's OK, even better, as it protects the system.

But on your rig, you'll have several very low-power components, like HDDs, DVDs and fans, and 2 very high power components- the CPU and the GPU.
And i'm telling you, this GPU is a power-hungry dictator
They *might* easily reach the threshold of their respective rails and then the PSU will shut down to protect itself and the system, where actually no fail has occured.
So go for a Dual or Single rail on that sys.

Yet again, I'm no expert, s1 will need to confirm.
EDIT: Hopefully Phaedrus, our PSU vet
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1/ yes 1600MHz Ram will work. The mobo provides that support.
2/ At the cheaper end These corsair memory or anything in the similar items list at the bottom of the page.

or if wanting something a little more higher end look for something with lower timings or higher speeds. I use Corsair Dom GT 2000's and down clock them to 1800MHZ and lower timings to cl7.

Word of warning, there is 44mm clearance for the RAM under the NH-D14 so either lower profile RAM is needed or in the case of DOM GTs I took the very top part of the heat spreader off.


This mushkin Ram is fairly top end memory. was reviewed here which highlighted its good overclocking headroom.

3/ Quad is fine. Phenom II 955BE is good price / performance and can pretty much get to where the 965 can get to. Alternatively an Athlon II X4 640/5.

4/ Great board. Little less suitable if you are planning to Crossfire due to the second slot being x4 rather than x8 or x16.

5/ Good quality 650W PSU is plenty.

6/ Nothing wrong with the Cooler you have suggested. For air its pretty much at the top. Using it on my unlocked 555BE and heat is not a limiting factor in my overclocking. If you aren't going for really big overclocks then a Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus would also be great and the money saved could go to a more modern GPU.
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1/ yes 1600MHz Ram will work. The mobo provides that support.
2/ At the cheaper end These corsair memory or anything in the similar items list at the bottom of the page.

or if wanting something a little more higher end look for something with lower timings or higher speeds. I use Corsair Dom GT 2000's and down clock them to 1800MHZ and lower timings to cl7.

Word of warning, there is 44mm clearance for the RAM under the NH-D14 so either lower profile RAM is needed or in the case of DOM GTs I took the very top part of the heat spreader off.


This mushkin Ram is fairly top end memory. was reviewed here which highlighted its good overclocking headroom.

3/ Quad is fine. Phenom II 955BE is good price / performance and can pretty much get to where the 965 can get to. Alternatively an Athlon II X4 640/5.

4/ Great board. Little less suitable if you are planning to Crossfire due to the second slot being x4 rather than x8 or x16.

5/ Good quality 650W PSU is plenty.

6/ Nothing wrong with the Cooler you have suggested. For air its pretty much at the top. Using it on my unlocked 555BE and heat is not a limiting factor in my overclocking. If you aren't going for really big overclocks then a Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus would also be great and the money saved could go to a more modern GPU.
i looked at an nvidia card it very cheap but i cant find any reviews where it is put against my current card so cant see any performance difference.

Gigabyte Geforce GTS 450 OC+ 1GB GDDR5, (830Mhz), 2xDVI, mini HDMI, HDTV, with Cuda

and ATI card i dont know but if so i am looking for one in the same price class as the nvidia one maybe 10 buck cheaper or more expensive.
or i will just kkep the card i have and wait to sell my current rig and buy a GFX card.


as for everything else i think im gonna prob get the 995 BE since its so cheap atm and with some effort i can prob get some nice clocks on it in future with better cooler.
Memory wise think i will get 1600mhz Corsair XMS3 or Kingston HyperX
the better choice? i cant get any mushkin rams i sweden either


Btw will i see significant uppgrade from my current system even if i dont uppgrade my GFX card?

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1. 1600MHz will work.

2.Any high quality overclockers memory which is rated at 1.65V

3. Any depending on your budget. Both will be just as good, but hex core will obviously last longer.

4. Your motherboard is good enough.

5.650W is plenty.

6.Your cooler is more than just decent. you'll be fine.
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What is the price difference between quad and hex cores?

The Corsair TX 650 is a good quality psu.
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1. 1600MHz will work.

2.Any high quality overclockers memory which is rated at 1.65V

3. Any depending on your budget. Both will be just as good, but hex core will obviously last longer.

4. Your motherboard is good enough.

5.650W is plenty.

6.Your cooler is more than just decent. you'll be fine.
do you mean my current mobo or the one i plan on getting?

and my budget is short 6500 SEK wich is currentently at 1015 USD. but the shipping included will be like 15 bucks so 1000 buck i can spend.

but after i get this new pc running i will sell my old one for a few buck and uppgrade my new one more prob.
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What is the price difference between quad and hex cores?

The Corsair TX 650 is a good quality psu.
in sweden prices are (sek swedish currency)

955 BE is 171 USD 1095 SEK
965 BE 198 USD 1269 SEK
970 BE 223 USD 1429 SEK
975 BE 247 USD 1581 SEK

1055T 202 USD 1297 SEK
1090T 264 USD 1695 SEK
1100T 323 USD 2095 SEK
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