Originally Posted by ch_123
sudo is effectively the same thing as the wheel group, except you don't need to know the root password to gain privileges on the system.
Any security can be abused. Why stop with getting rid of wheel?
You do realize that wheel is to do with getting access to su not sudo? So you need to know the root password in addition to being on the wheel group, and if the admin is giving out the root password to everyone, then no security is going to save the system.
Again, RMS removed the wheel group exactly so that users could take over the system. It's nothing to do with making the system more secure, it was to make the system more insecure
That to me is the problem with the GNU project. It has aims that are not always compatible with what computer users and administrators need of a system. See also: "Why do you need working drivers when you can have FREEDOM?"
i've seen sudo and wheel abused a lot in my time, cause sysadmins are morons, thats why it will always be to me, a "security thru obscurity", it is added layers, that only work if they are setup correctly...which in most cases are not.
stalman is a lunatic, we've all known this for a long time. his concern might not have been cause of security, but mine definitely are.
but this is the beauty of GNU/FOSS, we don't have to adopt all views of stalman to be able to use the software
i don't subscribe to the 100% open, that GNU promotes (prolly why i will never use GNU/Herd if it ever comes out.)
Open-Source is not a religion, you don't not have to accept stalman as a prophet or the messiah to use the software. if i agreed a 100% with stalman, i wouldn't be using 90% of the software i use in linux (lots are propeitary, or use MIT licenses, or some other non-gpl free license.)
but then again, you have fanatics, who go beyond stalman's lunacy at times (people who take performance hits to continue to be a 100% gpl.) like not using nvidia proprietary drivers, or using binary blobs in the kernel, or using software that is OSS, but drastically inferior to a proprietary-software (paid or "free").
I'm thankful to GNU, GPL and OSS, but i'm not a 100% sold into it, about 60% sold into it. but i'm also not above buying a proprietary software, or donating money to my chosen distro or a project i use.
if anything i agree with about GNU/GPL/OSS, is freedom of choice.