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Think about it this way: it's ~$5M to do a product. So, do you make an x2, x3 and x4 as 3 seperate products, or do you design an x4 and ratchet it down to match demand?

The most difficult thing in this business is to match supply with demand because you have a 13-week silicon to chip process.

Fusing cores allows you to actually drive down costs.

And, as long as you are interested, most wafers probably yield out the top 3 bins for the most part. So N-4, N-5, etc. are all down binned anyway.

It's all about managing the supply to the demand.
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Think about it this way: it's ~$5M to do a product. So, do you make an x2, x3 and x4 as 3 seperate products, or do you design an x4 and ratchet it down to match demand?

The most difficult thing in this business is to match supply with demand because you have a 13-week silicon to chip process.

Fusing cores allows you to actually drive down costs.
This was my assumption some time ago, but it's difficult to tell if that was indeed the initial strategy and/or a result of a hard gamble.

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And, as long as you are interested, most wafers probably yield out the top 3 bins for the most part. So N-4, N-5, etc. are all down binned anyway.
Is this in regard to all recent AMD product, or just that in the consumer space? If you can't answer that question, I understand.

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It's all about managing the supply to the demand.
So, suffice to say, X2 and X3 K10 chips outsell/outsold X4 product by quite a wide margin, then?
post #113 of 168
A. I can't speak to all products, every wafer is different, but I would be surprised if this is not the case.

B. I am not in client products so I really can't speak about threm.
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A. I can't speak to all products, every wafer is different, but I would be surprised if this is not the case.

B. I am not in client products so I really can't speak about threm.
Thanks for the info, John. I wouldn't expect that you had sales figures for client product, but it was worth a shot.
post #115 of 168
$300 2600K @ 5Ghz > Opteron 12 Core. The reason for spending that much on an Opteron was for what?
First thing that came to mind when I read this topic was, "Poor AMD".
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$300 2600K @ 5Ghz > Opteron 12 Core. The reason for spending that much on an Opteron was for what?
First thing that came to mind when I read this topic was, "Poor AMD".
Not if you want your own Blackops server!
4 cores is the new 2! haha.
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nope.avi

1090T at 4.4 GHz compared to i7 920 4.4 GHz. AMD roughly 20 GFLOPS ahead. Slower core performance, 25% performance gain. This performance gain is clearly seen in FarCry 2.

There is point in running more cores that are slightly slower (although the individual cores do not necessarily need to be slower in general). The only problem is when they are not being used. AMD and Intel need to really have the market focus on multi-threaded apps. Give companies a few bonuses for supporting multi-threaded applications.
Where did you get your information? From FOX News? You couldn't of been more wrong. The brand new X6 just barely keeps up with the 2.5 year old 920 @ similar clock speeds. The X4 is just too embarrassing to even mention. When 4 cores are equal or greater than someone else's 6 cores something is seriously wrong. Anyways, SnB is out and things are looking worse again. The X6 is no longer equal clock for clock. If a 2600K @ 5Ghz can beat an opteron 12 core, I don't want to see how ashamed AMD will be when the SnB 10 core comes out. I miss the good ol' days of Opterons, but they just aren't the same anymore.
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not that this isnt cool or anything, but what will all these cores be used for outside of graphics work and maybe gaming?
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Not if you want your own Blackops server!
4 cores is the new 2! haha.
Cinebench says otherwise. If it's not highly threaded though, there's yet another reason it would be bad on a 12 core opteron since each core is seriously underperforming.
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If a 2600K @ 5Ghz can beat an opteron 12 core, I don't want to see how ashamed AMD will be when the SnB 10 core comes out. I miss the good ol' days of Opterons, but they just aren't the same anymore.
So many of you chumps miss the point of Opterons entirely.
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