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this thread is teh lolz
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Originally Posted by FiveFingerDiscount View Post
So do AMD and Intel have a "core-count" battle going on or something??
Yes we are witnessing "The Ware on Cores". Intel & AMD are hunting down O Core BinSlowinDown.

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Originally Posted by Domino View Post
...There is point in running more cores that are slightly slower (although the individual cores do not necessarily need to be slower in general). The only problem is when they are not being used. AMD and Intel need to really have the market focus on multi-threaded apps. Give companies a few bonuses for supporting multi-threaded applications.
I agree with you and this is why you have my vote for President.

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This, and graphic rendering, I have no idea why people want more and more cores.

Intel should make the current ones cheaper instead of pumping out more cores.
And this is why you have my vote for Vice President.

Honestly, I wish they would stop making more CPU's with cores and bribe the developers to take advantage of what is already out. It still pisses me off that we on OCN brow beat each other over our sigrig's, but in the end we're all slaves to these single threaded (or dual threaded programs).

These CPU companies are loaded with intelligent engineers. But they still can't have windows media player use more than 2 cores. But yet, they've got six core/12 thread server CPU that can do what????the same thing my sigrig can. Don't get me wrong, I work with Cinema C4D & Photoshop ALL DAY (It's my business). But anyone that does CAD can tell you that a 12 thread CPU will still get a nasty beat down when it comes to rendering.

If you want an example, my sigrig took 1 hour to render a Poveray for C4D scene (not animated) of 6 balls . My old dual 2352 opteron system would have taken 39 minutes more. Though it had more cores, they were slower than my current sigrig (they both had 8GB of ram).
     
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Honestly, I wish they would stop making more CPU's with cores and bribe the developers to take advantage of what is already out. It still pisses me off that we on OCN brow beat each other over our sigrig's, but in the end we're all slaves to these single threaded (or dual threaded programs).
That doesn't make any sense. If you want developers to take more advantage of multi-threading then surely it makes the most sense to keep upping the core count? Mainly they're upping the core count for servers, which benefit the most from extra cores not just in performance but performance:watt ratio too. Not to mention Intel and AMD are putting vast sums of money into R&D on how to develop software for multi-core and into developers to take advantage of them properly.

By your logic ATI and Nvidia should stop producing new GPUs and tell the developers to fully maximize whats already out there and please don't bring up that graphics are natively multi-core because thats irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.


EDIT: Also think about the direction the IT industry is moving towards. More cores per chip makes perfect sense when you factor that in.
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Wait, isn't Xeon a Server Specific Chip?

And wouldn't this chip cost like $2,000-$3,000???

I couldn't see someone dropping that kind of money on a chip for a desktop, that's just insane...

Now, if you are programmer, 3D Model Maker, or a professional who needs this kind of awesome sauce, ho ho, this is very nice!

For me, it's just Intel trying to compete with AMD, not like we are going to reap any benefit (us non-server owners)...
Yes, this is a server chip. For use in servers. Yes, it will be very expensive.

Having said that, if you're running a website, and you want to be able to process large amounts of data at a time, this will be excellent.
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Not at all. I thought you were making the point that simply adding cores irrespective of clock frequency and architecture was the key to success.

Also .... it takes Four (4) Magny-Cours 6174 at $1,299 each (aka $5,196) to outpace a pair of X5680's (aka $3398) in any benches. Look at any of the reviews (I took my own benches and confirmed them) to see that the AMD choice is more expensive and less efficient in computation and cost.

4 x AMD 6174 = 480W
4 x AMD 6174 = $5196

2 x X5680 = 260W
2 x X5680 = $3398

I would be the first guy to hop on the AMD Bandwagon if it could keep up or outpace the Intel offerings. But when you look at the nitty gritty details; AMD is less efficient thermally and architecturally AND costs more in TCO.
Um, I am going to need a little more detail on this.

SPEC_int_rate200:
6174: 395
5680: 382

SPEC_fp_rate200:
6174: 317
5680: 296

I am not sure what kind of benchmark you are using, but at the CPU level the 6174 is faster than the 5680. And, to compare TDPs, the 6174 has a TDP of 115W and the 5680 has a TDP of 130W. In case you want to compare max power, our map power is 115W as well, the 5680 is no longer listed, but the 45nm W5580, which had the same 130W TDP had a maximum sustained power of 185W.
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So do AMD and Intel have a "core-count" battle going on or something??
I think it's because with the current silicon material it's not nearly as easy to improve raw speed/performance of each core as it is to stuff a lot of cores into a CPU. Obviously with each gen each cores do get bump in performance but with how games and programs are still using 1 or 2 cores at the most (sometimes maybe 4 cores) I'd rather use a 100GHz dual/quad-core CPU than something like a 5GHz 20-core all else being equal.
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It's only stupid if you don't consider the actual performance of each core. No point running 12 cores if each one is slow.
^ This

And for that reason intel is better than AMD.
    
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http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/2...rocessors.html

Looks like they will have a top end of 10 cores at 2.4GHz.

We have 12 cores at 2.5GHz. And 8 cores at 2.6GHz.

And bulldozer will bring 16 cores and 12-cores, I won't say anything about clocks, but if I have 12-cores higher than them with 45nm, just wait for 32nm.
OH HO!

Somebody let the cat out the bag!
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nope.avi

1090T at 4.4 GHz compared to i7 920 4.4 GHz. AMD roughly 20 GFLOPS ahead. Slower core performance, 25% performance gain. This performance gain is clearly seen in FarCry 2.

There is point in running more cores that are slightly slower (although the individual cores do not necessarily need to be slower in general). The only problem is when they are not being used. AMD and Intel need to really have the market focus on multi-threaded apps. Give companies a few bonuses for supporting multi-threaded applications.
Incorrect statement is incorrect.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/a...55t-reviewed/7

Hopefully will drive down the price of hexa cores, and force AMD to start putting out more competitive products.
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It's only stupid if you don't consider the actual performance of each core. No point running 12 cores if each one is slow.
No point at all? What a troll.
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