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Originally Posted by sub50hz;12460735 
I see xd_1771 beat me to it, but...

No. All Phenom II X2-X4 chips are based on the Deneb (quad) die, and no cores are laser-cut or hardware disabled in any other manner.
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Athlon x2 5000 (AM2+ 2.2Ghz)
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Phenom II x2 565
All locked quad cores.
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wasn't the athlon x2 7750 BE a dual core that was able to unlock to quad?

Ma bad.
Forgot about the X2s - read a bit on wikipedia about Regor because I'm not so familiar with Phenom and just assumed. Still - my point stands, quad cores were not made in order to save money on duals and triples - the larger the die (ie a complex quad core design) the lower the yield - this is why graphics card manufacturers tend to have lower yields than cpu manufacturers - their chips are much larger, since it's much easier to just add shader blocks with graphics cards.
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Still - my point stands, quad cores were not made in order to save money on duals and triples - the larger the die (ie a complex quad core design) the lower the yield - this is why graphics card manufacturers tend to have lower yields than cpu manufacturers - their chips are much larger, since it's much easier to just add shader blocks with graphics cards.
Think about that for a second. In order to turn a profit from a low-yield die, initially, defective Deneb product could be sold as 2- and 3-core chips in an effort to be less wasteful. AMD was able to retain profitability by fulfilling the needs of other market segments with those products, and as such, felt no need to develop a secondary nor tertiary die to satisfy the demand of X2 and X3 product.
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http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/2...rocessors.html

Looks like they will have a top end of 10 cores at 2.4GHz.

We have 12 cores at 2.5GHz. And 8 cores at 2.6GHz.

And bulldozer will bring 16 cores and 12-cores, I won't say anything about clocks, but if I have 12-cores higher than them with 45nm, just wait for 32nm.
Why even bother with 45nm? Cost?
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Maybe AMD needs to make a 16 core BD to compete with this.
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post #95 of 168
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Maybe AMD needs to make a 16 core BD to compete with this.

They need to make a six core thats beats an intel quad core first.
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I think it's because with the current silicon material it's not nearly as easy to improve raw speed/performance of each core as it is to stuff a lot of cores into a CPU. Obviously with each gen each cores do get bump in performance but with how games and programs are still using 1 or 2 cores at the most (sometimes maybe 4 cores) I'd rather use a 100GHz dual/quad-core CPU than something like a 5GHz 20-core all else being equal.
I'd hate to say it but besides being physically impossible, a 100GHz dual/quad wouldn't perform any better than a 5-7 GHz dual/quad because of the limitations in the performance of cache memory, main memory (RAM), and hard disks / ssd. At those frequencies the processory sits waiting to be fed data to crunch/ manipulate. Now chips with say 1mb or more of L2 cache would be awesome as more data could be fed to the chip before having to pull from main memory
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post #97 of 168
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They need to make a six core thats beats an intel quad core first.
Is it.. some kind of complex that compels you Intel owners to hoist a pitchfork any time AMD is mentioned? Yeesh.
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Why even bother with 45nm? Cost?
He meant the Opterons are 45nm, but are clocked higher than their competition, all the first Bulldozers will be 32nm, so he's saying they will be clocked higher still. Hence why Gtech said he'd let the cat out of the bag. So many rumours have said Interlagos will be 3.5Ghz with 500Mhz turbo @ stock, that it almost written in stone.

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Is it.. some kind of complex that compels you Intel owners to hoist a pitchfork any time AMD is mentioned? Yeesh.
Yeah and look at their sigs, it's always the ones with E#### or Q#### that shout the loudest how rubbish AMD is?!
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Whoa...***? Intel, you're killin me with all these cores. JESUS aids...10 cores???
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He meant the Opterons are 45nm, but are clocked higher than their competition, all the first Bulldozers will be 32nm, so he's saying they will be clocked higher still. Hence why Gtech said he'd let the cat out of the bag. So many rumours have said Interlagos will be 3.5Ghz with 500Mhz turbo @ stock, that it almost written in stone.



Yeah and look at their sigs, it's always the ones with E#### or Q#### that shout the loudest how rubbish AMD is?!
That's because those are the only desktop Intel chips that are comparable to the AMD Deneb and Thuban chips. You've got to keep the fight alive somehow, 1366 vs 1155 is boring.

I'm not interested in this 10 core vs 12 core story. I just want an affordable quad or hexa core with some decent performance per core and good multi GPU support (unless games are going to support more than 4/6 cores in the nearby future that is though). I'm just going to wait till April for Bulldozer FX and compare it to SB.
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