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Originally Posted by Sin100 View Post
Or is it one of these "he is innocent because I want him to be" things?
Current law says he's guilty, legal precedents say he's innocent. Anyone who wants to use their hardware to it's utmost potential and not be limited by manufactures should be hoping he's innocent, otherwise we could see the phone jailbreak precedent overturned as well.
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If he is innocent then don't worry, he will win the court case and Sony will loose credibility.
Have you ever even seen this country's legal system in action? Innocence is irrelevant.
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Isn't GeoHot largely considered a glory whore in the hacking community?
 
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I personally don't think any thread like this will go anywhere good. It's just another flame thread for piracy, which makes me sick. Apparently you can't mod/hack without it, it seems to be the only thing people think of when you put the term in their faces.

I for one am glad we are able to do this, it's given us alternate ways to run various devices. Think of all those people who bought the Google computer, what was that thing called? Technically all Geohot did was allow you to gain hardware access to run a different OS. No different than a bios hack, we do that already through "emulaton". Shame people can't see the cause for what it is.

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Correction, he FOUND a security hole. You don't open up security holes, you find and report them. He didn't do anything to the Firmware that wasn't already there. How do you get charged for finding something? I mean, no offense but by that logic so much research would be illegal.... I don't know where to begin with that.
Actually, he provided a means to exploit the security hole. You're telling me if there was a vulnerability to Windows that was posted on the internet that breached the security of the OS that Microsoft wouldn't sue? Get real. They've sued TONS of people for exploiting Windows and continue to do so.

Geohot purposely provided this exploit knowing full well the benefits and dangers of it. He doesn't really care about the millions of people that play on PSN. Nope, he just cares about his ego and his "hacker cred."

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Sony are basing their lawsuit on grounds of infringement and violating DMCA laws. The TRO and seizure of Hotz's computer equipment was supposedly because Sony had provided enough evidence that they would suffer "irreparable harm" if the jailbreak continued to be distributed. It's just another case of a multinational corporation using the umbrella of the DMCA laws to try to make a case for further limiting ownership/fair use rights and blurring the line between what you actually own and to what extent you're limited to do what it is you want to do on something you fully paid for.

Exposing the security flaw and exploiting the OS had nothing to do with this. Those were already inherently present within the PS3.

What Hotz is now fighting for is essentially his personal right to do what he did. Let's put it this way; Hotz has every right to tinker with the OS of the console he paid for. So does each individual. In reality, there is no way Sony could stop you from doing this.

Once Hotz released the keys to the masses, THEN they had a problem, as root access and full manipulation of the PS3 by thousands of owners brings about good, but also brings about the ability to do some "bad" things. Regardless, the ability to jailbreak lies with the individual, and should be perceived as a right to do should the owner choose to.

This really is no different than so many hacks, mods, etc. that most OCN'ers partake in today. It's just an issue because consoles have always been seen as "closed systems," and this jailbreaking issue brings to light some of the negative aspects of opening up these closed systems. It still doesn't mean that choosing to manipulate a product you own in a way that you want to is illegal.

Which brings me to the "worthless bravado" part of your post, but i'll digress.
Which is nice and all, except he does not own the OS on the PS3. He licenses it, just as you license Windows. You don't own a copy of Windows, you license it. You may own every single piece of hardware in your system, but that one thing, you do NOT own.

I really don't see what's so hard to understand about that.


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What law did he break? and exploits are FOUND not created. Companies PAY professional hackers to find exploits in their own system. Hackers have to make a name for themselves; they're basically building their resume. XNine, reference some concrete facts before you act so tough.
I think you mean what lawS did he break. Apparently you haven't read any of the court documents, which, you should, if you want to come at ME with the "concrete facts" BS.

The complaint states:
  1. Complaint for injuctive relief of damages based on violations of the DMCA
  2. Violations of the the computer fraud and abuse act
  3. Contributory copyright infringement
  4. Violations of the California Comprhensive computer data access and fraud act
  5. Breach of contract
  6. Tortious interference with contractual relations
  7. common law misappropriation
  8. Trespass

Whether he's guilty or not remains to be seen through court. Though, with the evidence, I can pretty much guarantee that at least half of the charges will stick. And they should. He's provided many a nubcake the means to hack in online games, and yes, there are many, many people that do it on the PS3 now, whereas before it was a handful in comparison to what it is at present time.

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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post
Going to add something i forgot to comment on your earlier post as well. How are you attributing a jailbreak to cheaters. Plenty of people jailbreak their hardware yet do nothing malicious with it.

You might want to go educate yourself as to what a fallacy is
It doesn't matter if ten people or a thousand people do something malicious with the exploit. What matters are the customers that abide the EULA and T&C get to continue enjoying the system that they paid for. How many people do you honestly think ran this exploit to run Linux compared to people who use it to hack games?

You may want to educate yourself on a little something called "morality." Good luck defending Egohot.
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
It doesn't matter if ten people or a thousand people do something malicious with the exploit. What matters are the customers that abide the EULA and T&C get to continue enjoying the system that they paid for. How many people do you honestly think ran this exploit to run Linux compared to people who use it to hack games?

You may want to educate yourself on a little something called "morality." Good luck defending Egohot.
Morality is not in question, it is whether they are willing to allow collateral damage, ie locking the system to people who would legitimately use it for non-malicious reasons. Something about not hurting the minority comes to mind. This will also set up a horrible precedent, and don't think for a second that other companies will not use that to their fullest extent, if SONY is to get their way.

Regardless SONY being a giant multinational will crush him with an exorbitant amount of money. He doesn't stand a chance in our joke of a legal system. SONY will pay off who they need to pay off and probably have him killed in a back ally. (That may be a bit extreme, but i think people get my point.)
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Why would someone want to jail break a PS3? Oh yeah um well maybe for the simple fact they want to play un paid for games.. What else would be the point? Same goes for the iPhone. Why do people jail break it? Oh I don't know, maybe a little thing called Cydia? So it true for about 99 percent of all people out there. Granted there will be a very VERY small minority that want to do this to run say Linux, but for the most part it's to play pirated games. Plain and simple. Sony knows this.
While i partially agree that is mostly the case with the PS3 - its clear you have no idea what Cydia is or what jailbreaking the iPhone is really about.
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He can get a job and actually work for his money for all I care, just like most of us do.

He won't get an Indian head cent from me.
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I've never had anything jailbroken or the like (PC all the way, never had an iPhone or PS3) but I COMPLETELY support Geohot (Or George Hotz, if you prefer). If I buy something I have the right to do what I want to it.

I'm sending him $10, and I encourage anyone who realizes how important their freedom is to at least send a dollar.

In other matters, I couldn't find the PayPal link.... Help? XD
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I was honestly going to buy a PS3 first chance I got, not now though, sony, you lost a customer, not a potential customer, a customer.
If that's the reason you're going to use for never buying a ps3, thats lame and you are missing out!
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If I buy something I have the right to do what I want to it.
Nope.
Take a game for example, you are buying the rights to use the game software, you don't OWN the game. You (may) own a physical copy and the rights to play the game sure, but if you break the terms of agreement they have the right to suspend your account and stop you using their game.

It's simple. If you don't agree to the terms of use for the product you are buying then DON'T buy it. You can't agree with a seller on how you will use their product and then when you buy/own it you say well I was just saying that so you would give it to me, now I have it you can go screw yourself I am doing what I want with my product.
Not very moral if you ask me.
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