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Originally Posted by RagingCain View Post
Does anyone here think its fair that I pay for a game that someone else doesn't have to now?

Does anyone here think its fair that I play online with people who can now use the assistance of aimbots, wallhacks, or any type of exploit in any games?

Is it fair that Geohot violated the EULA/ToS that Sony has without any form of repercussion?

Some think this is fair because certain users can now install Homebrew? Or get back OtherOS (originally lost due to the L2 Cell exploit) feature in some earlier models of the PS3 units?

This is not fair to any paying consumer, publisher, developer, or Sony themselves. The primary reason people play a particular title online via console and not a PC is so they don't have to deal with cheaters, and now we are losing this feature, console by console.

A jailbroken iPhone doesn't interfere with the call quality and use of other peoples phones, but an aimbotter does interfere with my gaming quality on a PS3.
Of course they don't care. They don't care about you or the developers or Sony or the millions of other people that are honest paying customers that have to deal with cheating, phishing attempts and other douchebaggery that this exploit allows.

For the record, they're also using the term "Jailbreak" which also shows just how little these people know.
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Of course they don't care. They don't care about you or the developers or Sony or the millions of other people that are honest paying customers that have to deal with cheating, phishing attempts and other douchebaggery that this exploit allows.

For the record, they're also using the term "Jailbreak" which also shows just how little these people know.
Yes jailbreaking != console unlocking.

There are plenty of malicious things we might end up seeing too, such as a virus or sometype of malware.

I am not going to claim that Geohot supporters don't care, thats a strong blanket. Many of them argue about morality of modifying something they feel they own, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I just want people to think ABOUT all facets of what they are defending.

This isn't about me vs. Geohot, this about me vs. hackers/pirates. I hope that some of you would respect that I deserve what I pay for, and that I shouldn't be hassled or not even allowed to enjoy things I paid for because of "douche-baggery." You are well within your rights to support Geohot, but by supporting him and others like him you are against quite honest and hardworking developers AND consumers. You should be aware of this.

I lost OtherOS too, I don't blame anyone but hackers. This wasn't Sony's fault, they have to protect their system some how. As you work in the coding field you want to protect your own creations just as much as ANY corporation, even GNP/GPLs protect authors and source code even if its for a free application.
Edited by RagingCain - 2/21/11 at 8:09am
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Not sure if you know but cracks are against 99.9% of agreements in game licences. So no, you can't use them (or unofficial mods, or trainers) and if you do the company has a right to take the product off you.




Like a licence agreement when you install? Yeah, like every single bit of software you install. Who ever forces someone to buy a product? If you don't agree to the terms yu don't buy the product.

I read GeoHots list of achievements and I have to say, he is very intelligent and I have respect for his skill, but why not use it to work against the pirate industry?
He sat in his chair and dared Sony to sue him.

Sony responded. How much talent does that take? IMHO PEBKAC
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Young punk with too much time on his hands and a huge ego that played with fire and got burnt. Yeah, I don't think I'll give you any of my hard earned money.
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I'm curious to find out how much money he will actually raise. Judging by the anti-Sony attitude on this forum lately, I would guess this dude's got tons of fans.

Knowing life though, the same people who were quick to download and use his "tools" will most likely turn their backs on him.

I never supported his hacking and do not plan on donating.
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I love how contradicting this is...

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1. There needs to be a limit to what constitutes a reasonable change to products we buy. Terms of service that grant the manufacturer full access to literally downgrade the product or limit the functionality are unreasonable and in clear violation of the Marketing Control Act, says Thomas Nortvedt.

2. When a company use terms like updates or upgrades, it is reasonable to expect a significant improvement of the product and not the risk of being stuck with a lesser product, concludes Nortvedt.
1. So I guess a massive security hole that opens up the PS3 to piracy, cheats, and possibly malware wouldn't be within those limits if they were set? It's really not even a security HOLE, as the security system did a fine job at holding the PS3 out this long. It's more like the security has been compromised by hackers.

2. Ummm... legitimate PS3 users ARE getting an improvement with the firmware update that removes OtherOS; a block against freeloading pirates and cheaters. "Update" also certainly does not mean "upgrade." Example of why not: When a bank "updates" your checking/savings/credit card accounts, they may add new fees in without any added services; Chase just did. Is that an "upgrade?" When Apple "updates" their app developers agreements to charge them 30% of their sales revenue, is that an "upgrade?"
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OK, so people are trying to create some kind of difference between Jailbreaking and Console Unlocking - fair enough.

So GeoHot simply unlocked the built in capabilities of the console, so I don't see the reason for this frivolous law suit. Lots of people alter and change firmware and firmware settings. Especially on OCN, where it is the norm. So what, Intel gets the right to sue anyone that changes their voltage settings, or alters memory settings, or whatever? And does MS get to sue you for using Chrome or Firefox, even though they can completely claim that such use does damages to them, because it causes them to loose market share for IE, and that the only way they can provide "security" is to tightly integrate the browser into the OS?

It's all ridiculous. Of GeoHot was actually committing acts of piracy, like cloning thousands of games and selling them for his own profit - that is one thing. But this, it's nothing more than unlocking what is already built in. And Sony's claim of "security" is bunk, because if their security is so weak that it can be cracked with a simple software tool in thirty seconds, by anyone, then they should be forced to recall and destroy all of the defective consoles because they are lemons, and offer full free, fully functional replacements to all users.

I just see this as some corporate harrassing a hobbyist, a hobbyist who did absolutely no harm to the corporate in the first place. If there was piracy, sue the pirates. But a modder? What a load of bunk, since it is done all of the time, and OCN is one of the hotbeds of such "illegal activities" - which are obviously not illegal because Intel, AMD, MS and other companies have never sued anyone for modding a system. They even encourage it by offering things like processors that can be unlocked.

Console unlocking != Piracy
Console unlocking == Freedom
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OK, so people are trying to create some kind of difference between Jailbreaking and Console Unlocking - fair enough.

So GeoHot simply unlocked the built in capabilities of the console, so I don't see the reason for this frivolous law suit. Lots of people alter and change firmware and firmware settings. Especially on OCN, where it is the norm. 1. So what, Intel gets the right to sue anyone that changes their voltage settings, or alters memory settings, or whatever? 2. And does MS get to sue you for using Chrome or Firefox, even though they can completely claim that such use does damages to them, because it causes them to loose market share for IE, and that the only way they can provide "security" is to tightly integrate the browser into the OS?

3. It's all ridiculous. Of GeoHot was actually committing acts of piracy, like cloning thousands of games and selling them for his own profit - that is one thing. But this, it's nothing more than unlocking what is already built in. And Sony's claim of "security" is bunk, because if their security is so weak that it can be cracked with a simple software tool in thirty seconds, by anyone, then they should be forced to recall and destroy all of the defective consoles because they are lemons, and offer full free, fully functional replacements to all users.

I just see this as some corporate harrassing a hobbyist, a hobbyist who did absolutely no harm to the corporate in the first place. If there was piracy, sue the pirates. But a modder? What a load of bunk, since it is done all of the time, and OCN is one of the hotbeds of such "illegal activities" - which are obviously not illegal because Intel, AMD, MS and other companies have never sued anyone for modding a system. 4. They even encourage it by offering things like processors that can be unlocked.

Console unlocking != Piracy
Console unlocking == Freedom
1. No, they do not. There is absolutely no demand from Intel that you cannot overclock your processor. The processor also does not have any encryption blocking the ability to overclock it. The entire PURPOSE of building a custom system is to customize it to optimize performance.

2. No, they do not. The entire PURPOSE behind Windows is to encourage software development; it is shared source, which the PS3 software is not. Windows wouldn't be where it is now if it wasn't for the tremendous library of software that runs on it.

3. Geo isn't being taken to court for pirating. He is being accused of reverse engineering close source software and bypassing its security encryption, which is both against the law and against their EULA. The quality of the security is completely aside from the fact. By your logic, if you had a flimsy door lock on your home I am within my rights to stick a false key and break into your home. It would be impossible for Sony to recall every PS3 unit sold as you do not provide any information when you buy a PS3.

4. That right there killed off your whole argument, I'm lollin over here. Correct: AMD, Intel, Microsoft, ENCOURAGE you to modify your systems and develop apps for Windows. Sony does NOT encourage you to modify their PS3; you actually agree not to in the EULA.

Console unlocking ---> Piracy (leads to)
Console unlocking ---> Violates freedom (Sony's rights to protect their intellectual property as well as legitimate PS3 users' rights to enjoy their online games without the annoyance of cheaters)
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 2/21/11 at 9:43am
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Sorry but not supporting someone who willingly broke the law...
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Does anyone here think its fair that I pay for a game that someone else doesn't have to now?

Does anyone here think its fair that I play online with people who can now use the assistance of aimbots, wallhacks, or any type of exploit in any games?

Is it fair that Geohot violated the EULA/ToS that Sony has without any form of repercussion?

Some think this is fair because certain users can now install Homebrew? Or get back OtherOS (originally lost due to the L2 Cell exploit) feature in some earlier models of the PS3 units?

This is not fair to any paying consumer, publisher, developer, or Sony themselves. The primary reason people play a particular title online via console and not a PC is so they don't have to deal with cheaters, and now we are losing this feature, console by console.

A jailbroken iPhone doesn't interfere with the call quality and use of other peoples phones, but an aimbotter does interfere with my gaming quality on a PS3.
There will always be theives, there will always be hackers, and there will always be people looking to use something usefull for malicious purposes.

Be it gaming consoles, pcs, cars, baseball bats, ect... ect...

The question comes do you punish the legitimate users just to stop the malicious, or do you lock it down for everyone and not deal with the malicious on a user by user basis? It would require SONY to monitor their networks more. Which is the reason i feel like they are making such a big deal over this. Since they will now have to watch for hackers.
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