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I say let him burn in hell
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You reap what you sow... and you planted stupidity.
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OK, so people are trying to create some kind of difference between Jailbreaking and Console Unlocking - fair enough.

So GeoHot simply unlocked the built in capabilities of the console, so I don't see the reason for this frivolous law suit. Lots of people alter and change firmware and firmware settings. Especially on OCN, where it is the norm. So what, Intel gets the right to sue anyone that changes their voltage settings, or alters memory settings, or whatever? And does MS get to sue you for using Chrome or Firefox, even though they can completely claim that such use does damages to them, because it causes them to loose market share for IE, and that the only way they can provide "security" is to tightly integrate the browser into the OS?

It's all ridiculous. Of GeoHot was actually committing acts of piracy, like cloning thousands of games and selling them for his own profit - that is one thing. But this, it's nothing more than unlocking what is already built in. And Sony's claim of "security" is bunk, because if their security is so weak that it can be cracked with a simple software tool in thirty seconds, by anyone, then they should be forced to recall and destroy all of the defective consoles because they are lemons, and offer full free, fully functional replacements to all users.

I just see this as some corporate harrassing a hobbyist, a hobbyist who did absolutely no harm to the corporate in the first place. If there was piracy, sue the pirates. But a modder? What a load of bunk, since it is done all of the time, and OCN is one of the hotbeds of such "illegal activities" - which are obviously not illegal because Intel, AMD, MS and other companies have never sued anyone for modding a system. They even encourage it by offering things like processors that can be unlocked.

Console unlocking != Piracy
Console unlocking == Freedom

You're talking about two completely different matters here, and FYI, Intel is trying to block people out from OC'ing with Sandy Vag.

OCN's modders don't post security breaches that affect millions of users. Egohot did.

Your analogies are frivelous, honestly.
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How people can be so for or against this is beyond me. There's so many shades of gray in everything - this issue especially - and it looks like most people are simply dismissing all of the actual thought process required to come to a rational decision and just saying, "nah, let his ass burn in hellz!" It's almost like no one's ever heard the term, "the lesser of two evils."
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How people can be so for or against this is beyond me. There's so many shades of gray in everything - this issue especially - and it looks like most people are simply dismissing all of the actual thought process required to come to a rational decision and just saying, "nah, let his ass burn in hellz!" It's almost like no one's ever heard the term, "the lesser of two evils."
The lesser of two evils is not allowing hacks, cheats, and exploits to ruin the experience of millions of users, rather than let a handful of people in comparison run their half-assed versions of Linux on the hardware.
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Yea, more of our daily jailbreak vs. PS3 hack, Windows/CPUs vs. PS3 hack failnalogies in here, heh.

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FYI, Intel is trying to block people out from OC'ing with Sandy Vag.
Off-topic: That's not the way I look at it really. The way I see it, they're simply offering CPUs that AREN'T overclockable for a lower price than what they would normally cost. Those who build a PC but don't care to overclock it (obviously a rare few on OCN) can buy a 2600 for $300 instead of a 2600k for $330. This may be frowned upon, but it's pretty reasonable and I don't feel it is really much of a "block" especially since you know up front what you're getting. I don't feel Intel is "charging" $30 for the ability to overclock. Instead, I look at it as they're shaving $30 off the price for those who don't care for overclocking. The E8400 was $320 when it released in January 2008, so Intel certainly isn't "charging" extra for the ability to overclock.
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The lesser of two evils is not allowing hacks, cheats, and exploits to ruin the experience of millions of users, rather than let a handful of people in comparison run their half-assed versions of Linux on the hardware.
So you're willing to forgo your right to freedom with your hardware for eternity based on the precedent that a Sony victory will set because people are complaining about their Call of Duty multiplayer experience?
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Jailbreaking didn't kill Apple store and it won't kill Sony games. While I think Geohot is stupid for releasing something like this with such high profile, he deserves to win this case.
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So you're willing to forgo your right to freedom with your hardware for eternity based on the precedent that a Sony victory will set because people are complaining about their Call of Duty multiplayer experience?
You'd be surprised but most people would choose security and conformity over freedom. Otherwise no tyrant would have been able to rise to power.

Of course soon they realize that without their freedom, those tyrants will soon abuse them, and they won't have neither security nor freedom, and no means to fight back.

I hope Sony wins this just so people will see how it will backfire on those who supported them.
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So you're willing to forgo your right to freedom with your hardware for eternity based on the precedent that a Sony victory will set because people are complaining about their Call of Duty multiplayer experience?
It's not just CoD that's effected. And regardless whether YOU like CoD or not isn't the issue. Millions of people do. Millions of people pay for that game and others that are now being exploited.

And no one ever said you couldn't do whatever you want with your hardware. It's the software you can't touch. So yes, I'd forgo my ability to exploit the PS3's security for the protection of the online ecosystem Sony provides FOR FREE.
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