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Actually - they do. Tuners routinely mod their engine control systems, and even twenty years ago, there was a significant business in replacement rate PROMS - the use of which never did see a Grand National owner being sued by GM.



However, they force feed it by virtue of banning such users from PSN, which is an illegal, anti-competitive tactic. The case can also be made that Sony does not give you a real option or choice, you either relinquish a feature which was purchased, or you are borked. It might be different if they offered an option of one of two options, because it can be entirely argued that the update is a requirement to correct system deficiencies, and that such methods can not be used to remove features that were inherent and agreed to in advance. Just like MS can not decide to issue Win7 SP1 and retract support for USB and force you to run IE only.



Sure, you are given the chance to decline. But what Sony proposes, in this case, is that if you don't sign the new contract, they are removing the kitchen from the house.



Most jurisdictions have regulations, like the Landlord Tenant Act, which regulate such things. However, no matter what the contract, a landlord can not arbitrarily choose to change the terms of the contract. They can't decide that since you don't use the second bedroom all that much, that they want to move another family into the room and rent it. They can't boot you out of the house because you decided to buy a Ford or that you run Linux on a computer.



Sure, that is a solution. But I think in the end, Sony ends up being an Evil Empire. Stuff like this really ruins any investment that Sony makes in advertisements, just like MS shoving IE onto everyone backfired in the long run. I think Sony leaves themselves open to charges of malicious prosecution as well, and could end up paying GeoHot big time, just like other cases where corporates have ended up dishing out big cash for dumb moves.
My God, you fail to understand.
When you purchased your PS3, with OtherOS, you got everything advertised. Now, you start it up, you agree to the terms that they give you. Those terms clearly state they have the right to remove any feature or alter the firmware. Now, at that moment, you can return your PS3 and get a full refund if you disagree. So, lets assume you didn't. You agree, and move on. You create your PSN account, which shows the terms, you must agree, etc. If you don't agree, you don't get PSN. So, lets assume you did. Now, these terms state they can terminate your account anytime. So, you continue on and you get prompted for an update. These terms clearly say what they are allowed to do. You have the chance to read those terms and agree, along with looking at the release notes. You don't bother doing so, and you continue to the update. They removed OtherOS, and you get all furious. Your fault. End of story. Not to mention, PSN is a gift, a luxury, a service from them. In no way is it a right. People who breach contract of the firmware do not deserve the privilege of using PSN.
Sony has never modified your PS3 after you paid for it without you agreeing to it. They know the law, their lawyers know the law. When they write those terms, the ensure it covers everything they do and anything that they may possibly want to do. So go ahead and kick out the idea of "malicious prosecution" or anything else you want to claim on Sony. Along with the idea that what they have done is "illegal".
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They know the law, their lawyers know the law. When they write those terms, the ensure it covers everything they do and anything that they may possibly want to do. So go ahead and kick out the idea of "malicious prosecution" or anything else you want to claim on Sony. Along with the idea that what they have done is "illegal".
I'm not saying Evans is right but don't condescend to others like you're right and other people are inherently wrong. The fact that is that there is no "law" stating that Sony is right. The fact that judges often have differing opinions about how the same law should be applied to a specific situation should show how much gray area there is. You won't find judges insulting other judges for having differing interpretations of the law. The fact that there is a legal system at all means that you can't just apply black letter law without interpretation.

Frankly, I wish people would not act like their interpretation and opinion. The most offensive posts I've read here are from a couple of people in this thread calling other people stupid for disagreeing with their interpretation of legal statute.

The notion that Sony has done something illegal might be correct or not. It clearly has some merit for argument given the fact that the judge in the case has retained that judge. Believing in that argument does not make you an "idiot".

Frankly, your notion that big corporations know the law so well that we should assume that every action they perform is legal is more ridiculous than anything else I've read. Being a big corporation and having access to highly-paid lawyers does not mean you will always obey the law.
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I'm not saying Evans is right but don't condescend to others like you're right and other people are inherently wrong. The fact that is that there is no "law" stating that Sony is right. The fact that judges often have differing opinions about how the same law should be applied to a specific situation should show how much gray area there is. You won't find judges insulting other judges for having differing interpretations of the law. The fact that there is a legal system at all means that you can't just apply black letter law without interpretation.

Frankly, I wish people would not act like their interpretation and opinion. The most offensive posts I've read here are from a couple of people in this thread calling other people stupid for disagreeing with their interpretation of legal statute.

The notion that Sony has done something illegal might be correct or not. It clearly has some merit for argument given the fact that the judge in the case has retained that judge. Believing in that argument does not make you an "idiot".

Frankly, your notion that big corporations know the law so well that we should assume that every action they perform is legal is more ridiculous than anything else I've read. Being a big corporation and having access to highly-paid lawyers does not mean you will always obey the law.

I was trying to enforce that Sony was completely within their legal rights to remove the OtherOS and ban from PSN, which is a known fact, not opinion. What they are currently doing, the decision is up to the judge, but Sony is completely within their rights to prosecute.

Woah, woah... I'm not saying corporations will always "obey" the law. I am saying, they are completely aware of what they are doing. Corporations would never, any good one, break any laws in front of your face. Matter of a fact, ideally any laws broken by a corporation would be the gray area laws. All of that is beside the point. In this case, they know what they are doing, and they wouldn't prosecute someone if it was at risk of "malicious prosecution".
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You're talking about two completely different matters here, and FYI, Intel is trying to block people out from OC'ing with Sandy Vag.

OCN's modders don't post security breaches that affect millions of users. Egohot did.

Your analogies are frivelous, honestly.

Here here I agree. We don't post such thing because when we ALL joined OCN we clicked a checked box marked Terms Of Service. (TOS) That if we did there would be CONSEQUENCES for our actions.

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I only really want to quote one part of this.
How did you figure this one out?
Thanks for the laughs.

It's not illegal to void your warranty.
Not yet. Off topic the new processors coming may change that.
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I was trying to enforce that Sony was completely within their legal rights to remove the OtherOS and ban from PSN, which is a known fact, not opinion. What they are currently doing, the decision is up to the judge, but Sony is completely within their rights to prosecute.

Woah, woah... I'm not saying corporations will always "obey" the law. I am saying, they are completely aware of what they are doing. Corporations would never, any good one, break any laws in front of your face. Matter of a fact, ideally any laws broken by a corporation would be the gray area laws. All of that is beside the point. In this case, they know what they are doing, and they wouldn't prosecute someone if it was at risk of "malicious prosecution".
No that's not right. What happens when a person uses his PS3 "OtherOS" feature for something like family photos. He updates, thinking that Sony can't keep him from seeing his photos. Oh noes! He can't get to them because sony's agreement just says they are removing OtherOS, they don't tell him he won't be able to access that data. Oh that's too bad, they just stole your legal right to access your own data. Oh no, what ever shall you do?

THATS the situation. No, that didn't happen, but it could. If that situation is possible and illegal then the act that allows such situations is illegal.

This is compeletely different from modding the firmware. it's about having something that you legally payed for taken away.
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Donation haha..

Better think twice before playing smart the next time..
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No that's not right. What happens when a person uses his PS3 "OtherOS" feature for something like family photos. He updates, thinking that Sony can't keep him from seeing his photos. Oh noes! He can't get to them because sony's agreement just says they are removing OtherOS, they don't tell him he won't be able to access that data. Oh that's too bad, they just stole your legal right to access your own data. Oh no, what ever shall you do?

THATS the situation. No, that didn't happen, but it could. If that situation is possible and illegal then the act that allows such situations is illegal.

This is compeletely different from modding the firmware. it's about having something that you legally payed for taken away.
Thats not the situation at all... You can view photos on your ps3 without linux and information stored on the ps3 like photos stays on there regardless of updates.

And let's not forget that anyone really using Linux for any real purpose on the PS3 had no reason to update, yet alone connect to PSN to begin with.
Who honestly bought a PS3 to play with Linux aside from them? For what reason too?
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Thats not the situation at all... You can view photos on your ps3 without linux and information stored on the ps3 like photos stays on there regardless of updates.

And let's not forget that anyone really using Linux for any real purpose on the PS3 had no reason to update, yet alone connect to PSN to begin with.
Who honestly bought a PS3 to play with Linux aside from them? For what reason too?
Doesn't matter if that is the situation. Something can't be illegal for a certain group of people and "ok" with another group. It's either illegal or isn't illegal, the law isn't "well it's kind of illegal". I can take this situation further if you want. Regardless of the scenario, if the action can result in illegally stripping of goods whether they are corporeal or not it's illegal, period.

[edit] Either way that is a different case. If you want to argue that you should argue in the other thread. Though donating money towards Hotz I think goes towards both cases, as I think he filed the "OtherOS" case.
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I was trying to enforce that Sony was completely within their legal rights to remove the OtherOS and ban from PSN, which is a known fact, not opinion. What they are currently doing, the decision is up to the judge, but Sony is completely within their rights to prosecute.

Woah, woah... I'm not saying corporations will always "obey" the law. I am saying, they are completely aware of what they are doing. Corporations would never, any good one, break any laws in front of your face. Matter of a fact, ideally any laws broken by a corporation would be the gray area laws. All of that is beside the point. In this case, they know what they are doing, and they wouldn't prosecute someone if it was at risk of "malicious prosecution".
The question is not whether or not they are within their rights to do so, but rather SHOULD it be within their rights to do so?
Where do consumer rights end and corporate rights begin? I don't know how you're viewing this issue, but Sony winning this will take a big bite out of consumer rights and hand it over not just to Sony but to most corporations as well.

Don't think that if and after they win this, they will not try to limit your rights even further. If we continue down this path, soon enough breaking your warranty will be deemed illegal.
Edited by __Pat__ - 2/21/11 at 8:15pm
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Why would someone want to jail break a PS3? Oh yeah um well maybe for the simple fact they want to play un paid for games.. What else would be the point? Same goes for the iPhone. Why do people jail break it? Oh I don't know, maybe a little thing called Cydia? So it true for about 99 percent of all people out there. Granted there will be a very VERY small minority that want to do this to run say Linux, but for the most part it's to play pirated games. Plain and simple. Sony knows this.
only reason i jailbroke my iPod Touch was for 2 things i think should have been there at release. battery percentage, and USB drive support (one supported on the iPhone, and one supported on the iPod Classic). as a result of the jailbreak i have those, and both are free.

just saying .
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