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Why hasn't the ACLU picked this up?
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Why would someone want to jail break a PS3? Oh yeah um well maybe for the simple fact they want to play un paid for games.. What else would be the point? Same goes for the iPhone. Why do people jail break it? Oh I don't know, maybe a little thing called Cydia? So it true for about 99 percent of all people out there. Granted there will be a very VERY small minority that want to do this to run say Linux, but for the most part it's to play pirated games. Plain and simple. Sony knows this.
A little something known as XBMC could be ported.. there are plenty of legal options.
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The question is not whether or not they are within their rights to do so, but rather SHOULD it be within their rights to do so?
Where do consumer rights end and corporate rights begin? I don't know how you're viewing this issue, but Sony winning this will take a big bite out of consumer rights and hand it over not just to Sony but to most corporations as well.

Don't think that if and after they win this, they will not try to limit your rights even further. If we continue down this path, soon enough breaking your warranty will be deemed illegal.
*Applauds*

So finally, one has agreed with the facts. Sony is well within their rights. The debate at hand now is whether they should be revoked those rights, which is purely opinion.

I have to question your skepticism though. I don't see this as being a "test" on how far a corporation can go in cutting our "rights." A massive class action lawsuit (like say every single PS3 owner) would most definitely turn over laws if that day ever comes.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
*Applauds*

So finally, one has agreed with the facts. Sony is well within their rights. The debate at hand now is whether they should be revoked those rights, which is purely opinion.

I have to question your skepticism though. I don't see this as being a "test" on how far a corporation can go in cutting our "rights." A massive class action lawsuit (like say every single PS3 owner) would most definitely turn over laws if that day ever comes.
I don't think a lot of people here are debating that Sony doesn't have the right to do so (or else their lawsuit would never hold in court), but rather that these rights shouldn't be there in the first place, ethically if not legally.

It might be true, as you said, that if things get worst then something is bound to change, however things are bad even the way they are right now. The "licensing usage" that these companies sell their products through needs to be changed as it gives them too much freedom as it is.

You think that the removal of OtherOS is unimportant, and thus it's perfectly fine for Sony to remove it. But a day will come when something quite useful will be removed from a product, in the same fashion that OtherOS was removed because it conflicts with a company's interests, and just as OtherOS, it will be perfectly legal to do so.
Which side of the debate will you be on then?

Even though a victory for Sony might not make things worst (I was thinking of worst case scenario), a victory for Geohot will probably turn things for the better and might give us consumers more rights.

(Also Stealth thank you for not going "HERP DERP" and blatantly using ad hominem in your replies, like some people here are doing.)
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I have never used any of his work but I will donate a $20 to him for his defense. I hope he wins so I can continue to do what I want with what I own and is in my possession.

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Never used anything made by him. If he is innocent then don't worry, he will win the court case and Sony will loose credibility.

Or is it one of these "he is innocent because I want him to be" things?
In what world do you live. Innocence or guilt is decided by money. Not whether you actually are or not. Plenty of small businesses were correct and lost to big business due to lack of funds to prove they were right.

Here's a great example of Big Business trying to ruin the small guy and hoping the small business cannot pay to prove he is correct.

http://www.nissan.com/
    
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1 times bullet shot in foot of self. . GH

- Rap Video = better foot

[Edit] Did RELOADED make a rap video on DRM from Ubisoft? / Show himself to millions?
Edited by DullBoi - 2/22/11 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by __Pat__ View Post
I don't think a lot of people here are debating that Sony doesn't have the right to do so (or else their lawsuit would never hold in court), but rather that these rights shouldn't be there in the first place, ethically if not legally.

It might be true, as you said, that if things get worst then something is bound to change, however things are bad even the way they are right now. The "licensing usage" that these companies sell their products through needs to be changed as it gives them too much freedom as it is.

You think that the removal of OtherOS is unimportant, and thus it's perfectly fine for Sony to remove it. But a day will come when something quite useful will be removed from a product, in the same fashion that OtherOS was removed because it conflicts with a company's interests, and just as OtherOS, it will be perfectly legal to do so.
Which side of the debate will you be on then?

Even though a victory for Sony might not make things worst (I was thinking of worst case scenario), a victory for Geohot will probably turn things for the better and might give us consumers more rights.

(Also Stealth thank you for not going "HERP DERP" and blatantly using ad hominem in your replies, like some people here are doing.)
Here's one. There are roughly a hundred others on OCN alone but don't expect me to go searching through the other threads.

I'm not denying it: I would completely switch sides if Sony releases an update that "removes GPU acceleration" or "disables the Cell processor" or "disables Blu-Ray functionality" but that's not the case at hand. In THIS case, I am supporting Sony. People are failing to understand that the OtherOS feature is a massive SECURITY HOLE, it's not just Sony being a big meany removing OtherOS just because they want to. (I'd hope that) there is no security hole in the Blu-Ray functionality or processor. If there was a serious problem within hardware, Sony would be forced to do a massive recall, don't you think? In this case, it is all software related which is completely different.

And yes, thank you, same to you. There have been less than a handful like you that can actually reason with and contribute to a decent debate. That Evan... oh... God.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 2/22/11 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by __Pat__ View Post
I don't think a lot of people here are debating that Sony doesn't have the right to do so (or else their lawsuit would never hold in court), but rather that these rights shouldn't be there in the first place, ethically if not legally.

It might be true, as you said, that if things get worst then something is bound to change, however things are bad even the way they are right now. The "licensing usage" that these companies sell their products through needs to be changed as it gives them too much freedom as it is.

You think that the removal of OtherOS is unimportant, and thus it's perfectly fine for Sony to remove it. But a day will come when something quite useful will be removed from a product, in the same fashion that OtherOS was removed because it conflicts with a company's interests, and just as OtherOS, it will be perfectly legal to do so.
Which side of the debate will you be on then?

Even though a victory for Sony might not make things worst (I was thinking of worst case scenario), a victory for Geohot will probably turn things for the better and might give us consumers more rights.

(Also Stealth thank you for not going "HERP DERP" and blatantly using ad hominem in your replies, like some people here are doing.)
And thank you for using "ad hominem" ad nauseum.

Plenty of people in this forum are spewing their rhetoric about how much Geohot is a hero and that everyone has a right to manipulate the OS as much as they please since they purchased a PS3, when all of it is completely wrong.

Zinxe, Stealth, and several others including myself have posted many times in these PS3 threads proving otherwise yet the majority seem to ignore what we say and continue on with their useless misinformed smatterings.

You, along with others, have shown a complete disregard to the millions of consumers that just want to go on PSN and have a good time.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
*Applauds*

So finally, one has agreed with the facts. Sony is well within their rights. The debate at hand now is whether they should be revoked those rights, which is purely opinion.

I have to question your skepticism though. I don't see this as being a "test" on how far a corporation can go in cutting our "rights." A massive class action lawsuit (like say every single PS3 owner) would most definitely turn over laws if that day ever comes.
Actually if you think about it the court case would be about them not having that right. They illegitimately took OtherOS feature away. Basically, no it was illegal and wrong of them to take OtherOS out. The case is based off the fact that the law states you can't take a core function out, they are going to try and prove that OtherOS was a core function as well as the idea that the law applies in this situation.

[edit] Just because you (or I) don't know the law and think it's legal doesn't make it so. Even if they "got away with it" now they still broke the law.
Edited by mushroomboy - 2/22/11 at 8:17am
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Actually if you think about it the court case would be about them not having that right. They illegitimately took OtherOS feature away. Basically, no it was illegal and wrong of them to take OtherOS out. The case is based off the fact that the law states you can't take a core function out, they are going to try and prove that OtherOS was a core function as well as the idea that the law applies in this situation.

[edit] Just because you (or I) don't know the law and think it's legal doesn't make it so. Even if they "got away with it" now they still broke the law.
Ehhh... ok, I'll be brief:

I don't "think" the OtherOS removal was legal, it is, and it is pretty much no contest. It was never an advertised feature and Sony has every right to remove features that harbor security holes. Everyone who lost OtherOS gave consent to have it removed. There's virtually no argument that can evade that. Show me otherwise, I hope you're one of the few that can.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 2/22/11 at 8:44am
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