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But the law isn't calling it by a different name, it's calling it by firmware. Firmware is firmware by the law, which is no different. You don't understand what I'm saying. It's like saying a bicycle isn't a motor vehicle. Yes they are different, but by legal standards they fall under the same law and jurisdiction. Firmware, regardless of what it actually "is", will fall under the same jurisdiction and have to go through court. If we can get things established now it will make it harder for court cases down the road that follows these same principles. The law doesn't give a crap about the difference, if you can put it under the same lable and prove that it is "firmware" they will accept it. SO Bios = Firmware, until legally defined in court that you can't call a bios that name.
Correct, basically everything that is "like" firmware is firmware. This is why phone firmware (and only phones) was exempted from the laws of modifying closed source firmware. It's still illegal to modify all other types of firmware unless more exemptions are added, which I don't see happening.
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Correct, basically everything that is "like" firmware is firmware. This is why phone firmware (and only phones) was exempted from the laws of modifying closed source firmware. It's still illegal to modify all other types of firmware unless more exemptions are added, which I don't see happening.
Yeah I can't tell you if it will happen or not, lol I wish I could predict the future... Either way people need to understand that this is one of the larger sides of the case. Most people don't understand how the law gets defined and presented. The judge and jury don't (usually) know a lot of the definitions that are legally defined and are told by the lawyer. If the lawyers can (and usually will) prove that something falls under the said definitions they can (and again, usually will) get away with it. They aren't paid to care if the term helps the general public or not, they are paid by the client to get what the client asks done. It's dirty, it can be misleading and immoral, but that's how it goes. I learned this personally, as I was told by cops this; Since I have priors, if I get any like charges such as a B&E they won't charge me with B&E. They will charge me with Burg #, because the definition of Burglary is: Breaking and entering with the intent to steal. B&E with the intent to steal, I don't even have to steal. But that's how the law works, and I've more than learned my lessons. The point is, this could heavily affect the future of how electronics and hacking goes. People need to understand that this case isn't about a punk hacker, it's about a larger battle once it gets this far.
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Originally Posted by OmegaNemesis28 View Post
If GeoHot "wins" - and by that I assume you mean that Sony's multiple lawsuits do not work successfully (which at least one will no matter what, there is no argument to be had for a few): nothing will change.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this will spark some revolution. (Either way)
But it is definitely a push in the right direction.

And as I mentioned before it is not just about Sony. They are adding tons of features and that's great. For all I know Sony removed OtherOS in good will. But most corporations are not like that, and they will try to abuse Sony's win to their advantage if it happens.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this will spark some revolution. (Either way)
But it is definitely a push in the right direction.

And as I mentioned before it is not just about Sony. They are adding tons of features and that's great. For all I know Sony removed OtherOS in good will. But most corporations are not like that, and they will try to abuse Sony's win to their advantage if it happens.
That is definitely a possible outcome. In fact, I'm willing to bet it will be. To be honest, I don't care what the outcome is as long as users (those that use PSN) cannot be effected by hackers and cheaters. That was (and still should be) the benefit of consoles, the limited scope of cheaters.
I'd like to see that continue to be the case.
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Doubt it'll turn out that way. If it does, there will be an obvious boycott on the entire library of products from the corporations and they'll have no choice but to revamp their policies.
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There's just one small problem...actually two, with your post.
First, stop using the term "Jailbreak." That's used for removing restrictions from Carriers for phones.

Second, Microsoft has already set a precedant for this, just before Halo 2 was released. They updated their firmware about a month ahead of time, and once Halo 2 was released another update came. That update detected the difference in the motherboard/harddrive marriage from the previous update and banned the console from XBox Live.
no cuz jailbreak is the term to be able to install 3rd party unsigned software...

unlock is the carrier removal
i bet you dont even have a smartphone rofl
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no cuz jailbreak is the term to be able to install 3rd party unsigned software...

unlock is the carrier removal
i bet you dont even have a smartphone rofl
Yup, you're right. My Nexus One running Cyanogen sitting on my desk doesn't count. Get out. Seriously, just go, you're of zero use to this thread.
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Who said it did?
What argument?

I fail to see where this is going. I agreed with Pat's view and if you don't see eye to eye with Pat then you don't.

Why don't you read? It's called a quote - that quote is what Im directing my comments to.

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What aren't they going to remove? It's kind of funny though, while Sony has been removing features Microsoft has been adding features.
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Doubt it'll turn out that way. If it does, there will be an obvious boycott on the entire library of products from the corporations and they'll have no choice but to revamp their policies.
LOL Are you freaking serious? You won't know that they screwed you out of something until after they do it. Then you'll be pissed because you payed for it and now they told you that it won't work like that. Whatever though, probably psychic or something.
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Guy that drives piracy on smartphones and the PS3 turns around and expects same freeloaders to pay for his defense.

Hilarity ensues.
lmao that's awesome
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