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I had completely forgotten about the Bleem emulator. it was something big at that time, much bigger than this . If Sony had won we would not see any advances in emulation or most of the new console emulators would be illegal. No Dolphin, epsxe, Project64 or PCSX2 emulator.

well in 15-20 years when Sony ends support for the PS3 and the console is left open to any type of modification this will all have an impact.

The hackers thought well in the macroscale, but with only a few major console makers who became even bigger since 1999, things were going to end this way

I would support him only if he had chosen to stay anonymous but was tracked down.

he certainly helped for homebrew in the long run but I think he should have waited a little more if he wanted to release hacks with his name. In 5 years time things would be less strict and he would have been a better developer and more mature as well.
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I think this whole thing is bs............
most you people are soo rude and crude

simply put you pay good hard earned money for something
would you consider you OWN IT its yours you should be able to do whatever you want with it
all sony is doing is saying ya you bought it but its still ours

like say i bought a ps3 i wanted to smash it to pieces its mine i should be able to what if i wanted it to make me toast once again i bought it its mine
end of story
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I think this whole thing is bs............
most you people are soo rude and crude

simply put you pay good hard earned money for something
would you consider you OWN IT its yours you should be able to do whatever you want with it
all sony is doing is saying ya you bought it but its still ours
i think its bs end of story
No they aren't. You bought the PS3, you can do what you want with the hardware. You can rip it apart, use it as a paperweight, make it a sculpture, what ever. It is yours. What isn't yours, is the firmware on it, which it clearly states when you agree to the terms to use it. If you want to own the firmware, call up Sony and make them an offer.


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How many times must this be told to ppl.

The main reason Other-OS went bye bye is because pre-PS3 Slim, Other-OS was losing Sony money due to companies and Government institutions buying them up for their cheap Cell CPU.
That is an interesting theory, I never looked at it like that. Too bad it is probably wrong, considering they've said it was removed to stop the security exploits.


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He wasn't responsible for the removal of other OS..
He was definitely a contributor to it.
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I'm tempted to donate just out of spite of all the pseudo experts who act like they know what they're talking about when given the opportunity to troll with little quips like "you made your bed. now lie in it." when they don't know anything about what he did other than when they read a few OCN headlines and watched a rap video.

Let's give everyone at Colt eternal jail sentences for every murder ever committed with one of their firearms.

Jailbreaking has been deemed legal recently. Get over it.
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He got my $5.
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[QUOTE=Zinxe;12457023]No they aren't. You bought the PS3, you can do what you want with the hardware. You can rip it apart, use it as a paperweight, make it a sculpture, what ever. It is yours. What isn't yours, is the firmware on it, which it clearly states when you agree to the terms to use it. If you want to own the firmware, call up Sony and make them an offer.

then pretty much what your saying is this

ya you bought it but the software on it isn't yours
i personally think its still bs you bought it the whole thing not just the hardware...........
would you buy something that doesn't work say they take the software away where would they be then,no where you buy the product as a whole imo....
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Jailbreaking has been deemed legal recently. Get over it.
No it hasn't. Just for phones, and it is very specific and clear as to what applies.
It is legal for me to shoot someone who breaks into my house. If I go out on the street and shoot someone, that is illegal. But according to you, because it one situation it is legal, it is always legal.

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then pretty much what your saying is this

ya you bought it but the software on it isn't yours
i personally think its still bs you bought it the whole thing not just the hardware...........
would you buy something that doesn't work say they take the software away where would they be then,no where you buy the product as a whole imo....

We do it all the time, especially here on OCN. When you buy hardware for a new computer, you have to buy a key for any OS you want to use, outside linux distros. Those keys only allow you to use the OS, it doesn't make you own it. Buying a PS3 gets you the hardware, and a software key.

Making your own software from scratch and putting it on the PS3 wouldn't be illegal, at least I don't think it would. Reverse engineering, decrypting, modifying, and then re-releasing copyrighted protected software, then releasing its security codes to the public is illegal. Which, is what Geo did. Using parts of someone's code, even a snippet, is infringement if it is copyrighted.
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No it hasn't. Just for phones, and it is very specific and clear as to what applies.
It is legal for me to shoot someone who breaks into my house. If I go out on the street and shoot someone, that is illegal. But according to you, because it one situation it is legal, it is always legal.
You're taking what I said out of context. There are grounds for when you can legally shoot a person and when you can not legally shoot a person. There are not such grounds for piracy. This is no way relates to the manufacturer of that gun or the "manufacturer" of the jailbreak.

Sorry, your analogy doesn't apply at all.
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No they aren't. You bought the PS3, you can do what you want with the hardware. You can rip it apart, use it as a paperweight, make it a sculpture, what ever. It is yours. What isn't yours, is the firmware on it, which it clearly states when you agree to the terms to use it. If you want to own the firmware, call up Sony and make them an offer.

Not exactly what is going on. Once you buy a PS3, you can do whatever you want with it under Fair Use as long as you do not benefit from the copyright material commercially or affect the potential market of the copyright material. Sony is not going for him for jailbreaking the PS3, because legally that holds no water. What they ARE going after him for, is the distribution of keys and means to unlock the PS3, which CAN affect the potential market. Also, there has been no legal precedent established yet to extend the mobile phone unlocking precedent to the PS3. This is why Sony feels fairly confident it can pursue GeoHotz and any PS3 jailbreak "distributor" under DMCA.

That is an interesting theory, I never looked at it like that. Too bad it is probably wrong, considering they've said it was removed to stop the security exploits.

It is not completely wrong, just not the entire picture. Like with any other consoles before it, until Sony can break even, it actually loses money for each non-PS3 Slim it sold. This means that Sony even now is still highly dependent on distribution fees and platform licenses to generate revenue and profit for what is essentially a bleeding product. OtherOS allowed the PS3 to be used for other purposes, but what Sony did not anticipate was that it was bought not only solely for OtherOS, but the countless of possible security exploits that comes with another OS. It's removal however, was not a great way to generate good will.

He was definitely a contributor to it.

GeoHotz was trying to restore functionality of OtherOS through the usage of homebrew firmware. How was he a contributor for it's removal? I understand that you seemingly dislike the guy on a personal level, but to let your personal bias make outrageous statements like he was a definite contributor without hard evidence only makes you look silly.
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I'm tempted to donate just out of spite of all the pseudo experts who act like they know what they're talking about when given the opportunity to troll with little quips like "you made your bed. now lie in it." when they don't know anything about what he did other than when they read a few OCN headlines and watched a rap video.

Let's give everyone at Colt eternal jail sentences for every murder ever committed with one of their firearms.

Jailbreaking has been deemed legal recently. Get over it.
Theres no denying his talent, hes crazy talented for sure and in the realm of the iphone i truly did respect him until he got his nose into the ps3.

Lets take a look at what we know. He started work on the ps3 correct? Relased a premature hack to the community and conviently sony at the same time axed linux suppourt on the ps3. He then blogs about him coming up with a new firmware... where did that firmware go? the video clearly showed that he got somewhere with it and it posted and all, whats the hold up?

He dissapears for a few months, the USB dongle comes out, and shortly thereafter team Fail0verflow comes out with the necessary complete flash and the scene has taken off ever since.

There are some that may believe that hes the main driving force behind things, but as far as i can work out he has not invested any more effort than the people at overflow or those that came out with the USB dongle. Hes not the only driving force behind the movement. But his ego and publicity thinks he is.

I respect people that have talent and intelligence and take on challenges others can barely wrap their minds around. Dark Alex one of the most popular psp modders out there did so and managed to keep his head low. Sony tried to take a couple jabs at him and he was intelligent about it and just snuck into the shadows and came out as M33. If he was being sued id happily donate to his lawyer fund, but when you have a big of ego as geohot, i honestly want to see you pinned.
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