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It will turn the cpu down that far? WOW! Thanks Gyro.
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all the slots are PCI-e 2.0 as far as I am aware. I think they stopped doing 1.0 back in like 2005 or so. The only difficult thing to find right now on AMD (which still does not exist to my knowledge) is PCI-e 3.0. People are speculating that until they up their hyper transport speed then you will not be able to get 3.0 on anything. Here is hoping that Piledriver (thats next right?) will deliver in that area smile.gif

Not gonna lie, I am totally waiting for the next CPUs to come out for a big upgrade... should be getting DDR 4 by 2014, new video cards from NVidia and AMD, new CPUs, PCI-e 3.0, and of course tech that exists... just not on this board which is sata3 and USB3. 2014 is looking to be a good year for upgrades smile.gif

i had the Misfortune of finding out that the PCI_e X1 slots are version 1.1 and not 2.0 had they been 2.0 i would have been sailing at speeds up to 450mb/s cus the hard wall on 2.0 is 500 MB/s i was only getting up to 197 MB/s and in the marvell bios it stated it was running at 250 MB/s and did not give any option to obtain higher. unless there is some asus bios setting i have to apply to get the pci-e slots to run at 2.0 speeds it looks like i am sol.... oh well
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It will turn the cpu down that far? WOW! Thanks Gyro.

Yes, everything I have seen HIGHLY recommends re-enabling features like C&Q and such once you get a stable clock. It will play havoc on something like prime95 which is why you almost have to turn it off, but most everything else should help keep it stable and will help preserve the life of your proc (and save on power). Since as soon as you give it any load at all it will go right back to full speed.

The only thing you want to keep turned off will be turbo boost, since that can really mess things up smile.gif
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i had the Misfortune of finding out that the PCI_e X1 slots are version 1.1 and not 2.0 had they been 2.0 i would have been sailing at speeds up to 450mb/s cus the hard wall on 2.0 is 500 MB/s i was only getting up to 197 MB/s and in the marvell bios it stated it was running at 250 MB/s and did not give any option to obtain higher. unless there is some asus bios setting i have to apply to get the pci-e slots to run at 2.0 speeds it looks like i am sol.... oh well

Hmmm I did not know this... is that posted in the manuals somewhere? Because that is kinda messed up... (I think I said this already) I dont have anything for this slot so it isn't anything I would notice or need right now. But I could see if you got like a USB 3.0 controller or even in your case a better raid controller, this would likely be a terrible bottleneck. As much as I love ASUS, this board just came out at a bad timing. NVidia stopped doing anything with northbridge controllers when the AMD controllers started supporting both SLI and Crossfire. It was one of those instances where waiting two or three months would have given us better technology... but it is the gamble we make any time we purchase hardware.

Personally, I am just trying to get by with this board until I can get DDR4... hopefully by then, AMD will be supporting DDR4 and PCIe 3.0. I really do not want to go to intel, so I hope AMD redeems themselves with their next major processor release.

Honestly, it sucks that AMD's processors have gone down (or maybe stayed level) since their release of the Phenom II x6 and Intel has gone down (or maybe stayed level) since the original i7... That is not to say that either has made improvements in their overall design theory, but that we have REALLY seen any performance gains compelling enough to warrant ditching our Phenoms and original i7s (Im talking the 900 series intels just so its clear...)

I think this is why their processor sales seem to be stagnating and in AMDs case its really hurting them. None of us with tech from 2009/2010 have a compelling reason to upgrade... Could you imagine if graphics cards were like this? Like we have seen some of the most amazing jumps in graphics since 2008 and the release of the 200 series GTX cards... Processors are just not really going anywhere amazing right now... Moore would be sad.
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Moore would be happy, it proves his theory (if it ever needed proving). I have only ever heard people comment on turning C&Q off, I have never seen anyone say keep it on. Matters little I expect, I have to say though, I agree with everything you wrote, polite, honest and knowledgeable. Keep up the good work.
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That's just Cool & Quiet enabled .


Gyro

Then I've got serious problems Gyro. When I go to start the C&Q program, a message pops that says, "This CPU doesn't support Cool & Quiet function". Yikes! As far as timings or proper settings go, I haven't got a clue, but my proc running at 25% power as Horus was kind enough to mention, doesn't sound like it's doing me any favors. I don't know if me unlocking this proc has anything to do with it, but bear with me guys, I'm the epitome of "noob" in these parts. The processor I actually bought was a Black Edition Phenom II X4 960T and the pic I posted previously is the unlock. I've also run into some heating issues as the stock proc fan I think is junk and at the center of my issue. Recently my rig's been starting to inadvertently shut down on me. I've gone through everything and in my opinion it keeps pointing back to the processor.

I thought maybe it was the PSU as I switched out from a KINGWIN 1000w to an Ultra 850w with the same crap results, but I don't think that's it. That said, I ordered a Zalman CNPS7500-AlCu CPU Fan that's inbound now. Really, I know I've got some researching to do as my skills don't go much further than knowing how to put a computer together. Beyond that in the tuning arena, I'm terribly handicapped and that's why I'm here. I know I could find what information I need with time, but if any of you guys can point me to a site or some videos that will fast track me even a little, that would be super. I happen to think that though some of my hardware is a little dated, but decent for what I need it to do which is gaming and for once, I want to build a true gaming rig, OC'd and all. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide guys.
    
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Hi Mod Zoo, I'm not sure what kind of help you need but, I can assure you all the help you wish for, can be garnered from here. The after market cooler will help with the over heating CPU, of that there is not doubt. As for timings they are all slightly different, you will have to give us a run down of the hardware you have installed. Something like this :-

PC Spec: CPU AMD Phenom II x6 - 3930MHz | Motherboard: ASUS M4N98TD Evo | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866 | GPU: nVidia PNY XLR8 460 1GB | Monitor: 2 x Samsung 24" | OS: Win7 64 bit | Cooler: XSPC Water Cooling | HDD: Vertex 4 64 GB SSD for OS & 8 x HDD (4x250Gb,2x500Gb,2x1Tb) for Work & Play

To get you up and running ONCE YOU HAVE INSTALLED YOUR NEW COOLER!


Ai Tweaker

Ai Overclock Tuner - Manual or D.O.C.P (I go for D.O.C.P)
DRAM O.C. - Profile #1
AMD Turbo Mode - Disabled
CPU Ratio - 16 (a good start)
CPU Bus - 220 (should be good, maybe start at 210)
DRAM - 1856 (I own some nasty Vengeance RAM it is crap and only just runs at native speed, I usually run them at 1790ish)
Processor Voltage - 1.5 Volts (Default is 1.47 or something, but these boards are renowned for voltage drops)
DRAM Voltage - 1.5 Volts (check the sides of your RAM, it will usually have a full timings and voltage listing)

Advanced

GART - Enabled (This is meant to help GPU's have better access to the RAM, not sure it makes much difference)
C1E - Disabled
Cool and Quite - MOST DEFINITELY OFF!
nVidia Core - All cores
Unleashed - Enabled
Core Percentage - 0%

Tools

Expressgate - Disabled (Waste of boot seconds)

Boot/Boot settings configurations

Fullscreen Logo - Disabled.


That should set you up with a little O.C. Be careful and WATCH YOUR TEMPS!
Edited by Horus - 3/27/13 at 8:45am
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That's just Cool & Quiet enabled .


Gyro

Then I've got serious problems Gyro. When I go to start the C&Q program, a message pops that says, "This CPU doesn't support Cool & Quiet function". Yikes! As far as timings or proper settings go, I haven't got a clue, but my proc running at 25% power as Horus was kind enough to mention, doesn't sound like it's doing me any favors. I don't know if me unlocking this proc has anything to do with it, but bear with me guys, I'm the epitome of "noob" in these parts. The processor I actually bought was a Black Edition Phenom II X4 960T and the pic I posted previously is the unlock. I've also run into some heating issues as the stock proc fan I think is junk and at the center of my issue. Recently my rig's been starting to inadvertently shut down on me. I've gone through everything and in my opinion it keeps pointing back to the processor.

I thought maybe it was the PSU as I switched out from a KINGWIN 1000w to an Ultra 850w with the same crap results, but I don't think that's it. That said, I ordered a Zalman CNPS7500-AlCu CPU Fan that's inbound now. Really, I know I've got some researching to do as my skills don't go much further than knowing how to put a computer together. Beyond that in the tuning arena, I'm terribly handicapped and that's why I'm here. I know I could find what information I need with time, but if any of you guys can point me to a site or some videos that will fast track me even a little, that would be super. I happen to think that though some of my hardware is a little dated, but decent for what I need it to do which is gaming and for once, I want to build a true gaming rig, OC'd and all. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide guys.

Unlocking cores should not affect C&Q.
With cpu-z open,go to windows control panel/power options and set to performance,does it jump to stock speed in cpu-z ?

For tuning info check out the stickies in each of the AMD sections. And this thread of course.biggrin.gif


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post #529 of 611
woah, 1.5? Thats a bit steep to start with dont you think? I'm pretty sure it starts somewhere more around 1.3 MAYBE 1.4. It does suck that the board drops you voltage down, but if you look he is only running at 1.3 with CPU-z. At most I have been getting about a .05 voltage drop from from VDroop kicking in. I mean others have stated different experiences, so it could be anything, but I would definately suggest to play it easy with your voltage, raising it by only .025 at each step, and starting with what you see currently showing up in CPU-z (yes with it lowering it on you, it will take a bit of playing to sort it out, but better to play on the safe side IMO). Just watch your temps that are being reported by Core Temp, and make sure to keep it below 55 at all cost.

Basically you raise your procs up a step or two, check for stability, then go further. When you start getting bluescreens raise your voltage up a bit and check for stability. Its a back and forth process until you hit either your target or you max out your temps. Every time you check for stability, make sure you are constantly monitoring your temps. You can use anything really to kick your proc into full speed, personally I have been using Prime95. Anything to get your CPU utilization at 100%, a few minutes of this should show you how high your temps will go and will help your with making sure it is stable.

Voltage is the easiest way to hurt your CPU, so definately get that better cooler installed before you touch anything serious. Also, it would be good to know what your case is for airflow, because most people can get a minor OC even on stock cooler... so given that you are having heating issues on stock, something seems off. Have you ever pulled the heat sink off after you first installed it? If so, did you make sure to reapply thermal paste properly? Cause it seems to me like you either dont have any good airflow in your case, or something is off with your heatsink on your processor not giving a good contact.

I am assuming that it is doing a forced shutdown and not a bluescreen right? Because bluescreen is usually more of an issue with an unstable system vice something else... just making sure we are on the same page here with what is going on with your system.

As for your intentions to run it as primarily a gaming rig, 99% of the games out there are more bottlenecked at the GPU vice the CPU. If you want to play a game at the best settings, this is where you should try to focus your improvements first. The new Crysis game is one of the few that is actually designed to better make use of multiple cores and such, however, this only starts to become your bottleneck when you get into REALLY high end graphics, like SLI or Crossfire and running more than one GPU. So I still go back to, your GPU should be your primary focus here. CPU's are only used heavily in things like Video encoding, compressing files, and if you are into Folding or some such. The difference between stock clocks and going to say, 4.0GHz is only going to give you maybe 2 to 3 FPS gains.
post #530 of 611
Hi Mr Evil, like I said after installing an after market cooler and watch your temps. 1.5v on the CPU is not going to cause any issues, as the stock voltage is 1.4. It is really difficult to kill your CPU with minor changes, most of the time if you try silly settings you will not get past the BIOS boot.. The rest of your post is spot on, I am not being argumentative.
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